Black eyes

[tipsntails7]

The "industry" that hunting and fishing has become has resulted in some pretty embarrassing situations. But when it crosses the line over to illegal, it gives us all a black eye. Just came across this , if you are curious.

http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/enforcement/nr_0275.html

 

[airlocksniffer]

Been following this the last few days. Part of me thinks with our self-centered society with the Facebook, YouTube, etc, people are willing to do whatever they have to to project an image of hardcore or whatever. DaveC has a good writeup over on his blog:

http://bedrockandparadox.com/2016/02/19/thrice-busted/

Also a statement from Montana Wild:

http://www.montana-wild.com/a-statement-from-montana-wild/

 

[tipsntails7]

Been following this the last few days. Part of me thinks with our self-centered society with the Facebook, YouTube, etc, people are willing to do whatever they have to to project an image of hardcore or whatever. DaveC has a good writeup over on his blog:

http://bedrockandparadox.com/2016/02/19/thrice-busted/

Also a statement from Montana Wild:

http://www.montana-wild.com/a-statement-from-montana-wild/

I am actually pretty shocked the amount of comments I've seen giving them a pass, they either have not read the press release, don't care because it's a fish or are so caught up in being fans that they disregard the facts. It's pretty disappointing actually.

 

[airlocksniffer]

If they knowingly broke the law, they are poachers in my book. If they unknowingly broke the law, they have no one to blame but themselves. Ignorance isn't an excuse.

 

[CrzyTrekker]

I read the statement issued by Montana Wild, and then the statement issued by the State of Montana. It appears that Montana Wild is really trying to downplay the seriousness of its actions.

Very disappointing. Montana Wild's videography is very good. In the past, I've shared a couple of their backcountry videos with friends. However, I would hope that responsible entities shun them at this point.

 

[IanF.]

Randy newberg many times talks of buying the permits to film when most don't.....not all of the issues but wonder how many a co's are watching videos these days?

 

[doncarpenter]

I agree with airlocksniffer, ignorance is not an excuse. If you made a mistake, own up to it, take your licks and move on. Whether they knew the rules prior to the trip, only these dudes will ever know the truth. Having said that, each of us who enjoy the outdoors and utilize the resources have a duty to know the regulations forwards and backwards to avoid these "black eyes" and not shine any more negative light than is already shined by groups that want to do away with our way of life. The sad fact is that any bad press in the outdoor hunting and fishing is magnified these days.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if photographs fall under the same laws? Can an outfit take pictures and use them without permission from federal agencies, or does video have its own laws?

 

[BackcountryMT]

I was fairly disappointed in their response. A lot of finger pointing going on in their report with little claim to responsibility on their end. You aren't issued that many counts of violation for a misundertsanding.

 

[Laelkhunter]

doncarpenter,
The article states that "commercial filming is not allowed in Congressionally designated Wilderness Area" such as the Bob Marshall.
Outside of the area, a commercial fishing permit is required.
I am guessing that photography would be allowed, and I guess non-commercial video also??

 

[tipsntails7]

I agree with airlocksniffer, ignorance is not an excuse. If you made a mistake, own up to it, take your licks and move on. Whether they knew the rules prior to the trip, only these dudes will ever know the truth. Having said that, each of us who enjoy the outdoors and utilize the resources have a duty to know the regulations forwards and backwards to avoid these "black eyes" and not shine any more negative light than is already shined by groups that want to do away with our way of life. The sad fact is that any bad press in the outdoor hunting and fishing is magnified these days.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if photographs fall under the same laws? Can an outfit take pictures and use them without permission from federal agencies, or does video have its own laws?

http://www.fs.fed.us/news/releases/...irst-amendment-upheld-under-agency-commercial

 

[doncarpenter]

http://www.fs.fed.us/news/releases/...irst-amendment-upheld-under-agency-commercial

Thanks for the link bud, answers my question pretty well.

 

[CrzyTrekker]

Here is the Federal website relating to permits for video/still photography:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/chugach/passes-permits/event-commercial/?cid=stelprdb5199833

If the only issue was failure to get a video/photography permit, I couldn't care less. The press release from the State of Montana says they have video evidence that these guys handled bull trout for 10+ minutes in order to get footage for a film.

 

[tipsntails7]

Here is the Federal website relating to permits for video/still photography:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/chugach/passes-permits/event-commercial/?cid=stelprdb5199833

If the only issue was failure to get a video/photography permit, I couldn't care less. The press release from the State of Montana says they have video evidence that these guys handled bull trout for 10+ minutes in order to get footage for a film.

Agreed, if it was only for failure to obtain filming permits, I'd have chalked it up as a mistake and moved on.

But from the language of the release, it seems they egregiously miss handled fish. The most disgusting example is, hooking, fighting, landing and handling a fish then releasing it with the hook still in its mouth so they could get more film.

If that is indeed on film, which I assume it is, that should be the last time those fellas ever wet a line again, in any state, much less Montana.

 

[2ski]

As far as the regs go, I've always had the understanding that if the regs don't specifically refer to a water it's covered in the all-encompassing beginning of the regs for that District. The Clearwater River says "the Clearwater River and it's tributaries". Most rivers only list the river. I always assume that means only that River. Not it's tributaries too.

 

[tipsntails7]

Adipose boats officially pulled their sponsorship, looks like Montana wild pulled down their sponsor page. I hope bigger companies like Sitka, vortex and yeti follow suit.

 

[tipsntails7]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/st...cle_5e31ec89-203d-5747-903b-8e266fb49c67.html

 

[CrzyTrekker]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/sta...66fb49c67.html

"messing with fish for 15, even 20 minutes."

 

[OR Archer]

I can't respect anyone who can't own up to doing something wrong. Be a man. Take your lumps and learn from it. Move on and do it RIGHT the next time. This blame everyone else and not taking responsibility for you actions is just complete BS.

 

[slick]

From day one, it’s always been somebody else’s fault, according to them,” Sommers said.

Sums it up nicely. Their released statement sounds like a guilty teenager who is trying to down play their wrong doings. Then to lie about it after the fact when you took a plea deal in court. These guys are fools

 

[MTguy0341]

"We are very excited to put this behind us". Of course they are, they broke the law. Pretty unethical for something that they hold so dearly. Some BS if you ask me.