New house bill for Idaho

[silverbullet555]

Vanderwoude is supporting it.

A few emails might change his mind.

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[kicker338]

Was at the monthly fish and game breakfast this morning and from what I herd none of the wardens like this bill. As one warden told me, the last thing he want's do do is ticket anyone because of this bill if it were to pass.

 

[ndbuck09]

Not sure if it's been brought up in the thread, but here in Idaho (I think they own a lot of land in other states too) we have these brothers named the Wilks Brothers out of Texas who purchased old Timber land, a lot of it. It used to be accessible for public but they came in and have "locked it all up". Now there are forest roads that go all through their lands and people hired by them have been known to be hostile to folks just on the road on their lands.

A law like this clearly helps an absentee owner like this use ambiguity to their advantage when it comes to harassing people and placing unsubstantiated blame.

You may think there's a lot of outlets out there now to delineate property lines and have them on an app etc. But what you don't realize is that it will still come down to a he said/she said between the land owner or their agent/worker and you. The apps all release themselves from liability and have disclaimers about their data not being "official".

So in the real world, I'm riding my quad on a forest road and find a place I'd like to camp. I pull into a pull out and start setting up. A guy comes along and says, hey you're on private land. I say no my onx map shows this being public. The guy says, no thats wrong. Since the landowner doesn't have to mark their lines, they don't have to declare where their line ends. So now they can claim you're on private land and the app is wrong. You will then have to deal with it a lot more than that single conversation with them if they want to try to get authorities involved.
To all who think this bill is ok, How is this better??

 

[Trial153]

Not sure if it's been brought up in the thread, but here in Idaho (I think they own a lot of land in other states too) we have these brothers named the Wilks Brothers out of Texas who purchased old Timber land, a lot of it. It used to be accessible for public but they came in and have "locked it all up". Now there are forest roads that go all through their lands and people hired by them have been known to be hostile to folks just on the road on their lands.

A law like this clearly helps an absentee owner like this use ambiguity to their advantage when it comes to harassing people and placing unsubstantiated blame.

You may think there's a lot of outlets out there now to delineate property lines and have them on an app etc. But what you don't realize is that it will still come down to a he said/she said between the land owner or their agent/worker and you. The apps all release themselves from liability and have disclaimers about their data not being "official".

So in the real world, I'm riding my quad on a forest road and find a place I'd like to camp. I pull into a pull out and start setting up. A guy comes along and says, hey you're on private land. I say no my onx map shows this being public. The guy says, no thats wrong. Since the landowner doesn't have to mark their lines, they don't have to declare where their line ends. So now they can claim you're on private land and the app is wrong. You will then have to deal with it a lot more than that single conversation with them if they want to try to get authorities involved.
To all who think this bill is ok, How is this better??

Bingo ^^

 

[bigdesert10]

Looks like the bill got punted again. Anyone have any news on this?

 

[JWP58]

Not sure if it's been brought up in the thread, but here in Idaho (I think they own a lot of land in other states too) we have these brothers named the Wilks Brothers out of Texas who purchased old Timber land,

Have no fear, we are all aware of the evil cabal out of Texas known as the Wilks.

 

[ndbuck09]

lol I went back recently and looked through the middle 3-4 pages and saw that. but the real world example might help some who hold the "texas" mindset.

 

[TheTone]

I've read that many in the legislature are considering the bill "toxic" in its current form, which I directly take to mean that the people have contacted their reps in mass and are scared a vote for this could come back to haunt them when it comes time for re-election. Have also heard a new version of trespass reform could be in the works.

 

[downthepipe]

This bill has a new number and was heard in the House Ag committee today.

 

[mtwarden]

the language change?

 

[downthepipe]

the language change?

Not much. https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/sessioninfo/2018/legislation/H0658.pdf
It looks like they just clarified that being in a store does not constitute trespassing without written permission. Basically it says where public meets private only road access or corners need posted.

 

[bigdesert10]

It's garbage. I emailed my rep. again.

 

[bigdesert10]

658 passed the house today. I'm real disappointed. Hopefully the Senate has more sense.

 

[ndbuck09]

Its pretty sad to see politicians who can't stand up and think on their own about things.

 

[downthepipe]

Its pretty sad to see politicians who can't stand up and think on their own about things.

House passes anti-trespassing bill after contentious, two-hour debate

It took two full hours of contentious debate, but the House has passed Rep. Judy Boyle’s bill to crack down on trespassing, voting 45-22 in favor of the measure, HB 658. Boyle, R-Midvale, told the House, “The law-abiding citizen does not need to worry if he doesn’t trespass.” She added, “This is a vital constitutional right. … Property is sacred in America.”

Others objected that law-abiding sportsmen weren’t involved in drafting the bill, which also is opposed by the Idaho Sheriffs Association. Rep. Randy Armstrong, R-Inkom, said, “It just seems like the right thing to do was make a collaborative effort and let’s talk to both sides and let’s
work this out. … I don’t know why we have this rush with getting this legislation passed before we’ve spoken to anybody. … What’s wrong with taking time to listen to these people? It just seems the right thing to do.”

Rep. Christy Perry, R-Nampa, said a lobbyist for a Texas family that recently purchased large amounts of land in Valley County and closed much of it to hunting and public access, leading to well-publicized clashes with locals, approached her last summer about beefing up trespassing laws. Perry said after the lobbyist told her hunters would lose their hunting licenses if they violated the proposed new law and she objected, she wasn’t consulted again. “The vast majority of sportsmen want to be respectful,” Perry told the House. “Most of them are. I think they deserved the right to have cooperated with this bill so that we could handle some of these things that maybe haven’t
been thought of.”

According to records in the Idaho Secretary of State’s office, lobbyist Suzanne Budge is registered to represent the Wilks Brothers of Cisco, Texas, the family that purchased the Valley County land. The Idaho Statesman reported today that the “Property Rights Coalition” advocated for the bill for nearly a month, represented by Boise attorney Gary Allen, who worked with Boyle on the bill, but that the group didn’t register with the state until Wednesday.

Boyle, in her closing debate, told the House, “This bill was not brought to me by a lobbyist a few months ago – I don’t know exactly what the lady from (District) 11 was discussing there.” She said the bill was “worked on for a long period of time” by a coalition including major Idaho landowners and a statewide all-terrain vehicle group.

Rep. Luke Malek, R-Coeur d’Alene, who is facing off with Perry in a crowded GOP primary for Congress in May, spoke out in favor of the bill. He said as a deputy county prosecutor, he prosecuted a man who’d driven into the middle of clearly marked private land and shot and dressed
an elk there, but ended up with only a $150 fine after a jury trial. “Beyond that, there wasn’t a lot of repercussions for this individual, and that in my mind is an absolute tragedy for property rights,” Malek said. “We need to do something about protecting private property rights in this state. They are unenforceable the way they are now, and this bill moves them in the right
direction.”

Rep. Heather Scott, R-Blanchard, said she’d had calls from hunters in her district who were opposed to the bill. “My first question was, ‘Are you a trespasser?’ They said no,” she told the House. “I couldn’t understand the source of all these calls … until we read something on Facebook.” Scott said she now attributes them to “these radical environmental groups that definitely have an agenda
against private property owners.”

The measure now moves to the Senate side. Here’s how the vote broke down:

Voting yes: Reps. Amador, Anderst, Bedke, Bell, Blanksma, Boyle, Burtenshaw, Chaney, Cheatham,
Clow, Collins, Crane, Dayley, DeMordaunt, Dixon, Ehardt, Gestrin, Hanks, Hartgen, Holtzclaw,
Kauffman, Kerby, Kingsley, Loertscher, Malek, McDonald, Mendive, Miller, Moon, Moyle, Nate, Palmer,
Raybould, Redman, Scott, Shepherd, Stevenson, Syme, Thompson, Troy, VanOrden, VanderWoude, Wood,
Zito and Zollinger.

Voting no: Reps. Anderson, Armstrong, Chew, Erpelding, Gannon(17), Gannon(5), Giddings, Harris,
Horman, King, Kloc(Tway), Luker, Manwaring, McCrostie, Packer,
Perry, Rubel, Smith, Toone, Wagoner, Wintrow and Youngblood.

 

[mtwarden]

who says a billion dollars doesn't buy you some political clout

 

[Idahomnts]

Dang talk bout fire me up! What do we need to do? What can we do? Anyway to turn this around?

 

[mtwarden]

I'd be looking up your Senator and writing/calling him or her; looks like the Senate has yet to pass it- could still be killed

 

[Mtnboy]

HB 658 is Sent to Senate Amending Order – Idaho Wildlife Federation

HB658 is a travesty for Idaho's outdoorsmen and women | Columns | idahostatejournal.com

Idaho trespass law: Changes to be revised again in Senate | Idaho Statesman

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[Mtnboy]

I'd be looking up your Senator and writing/calling him or her; looks like the Senate has yet to pass it- could still be killed

Yes! The time is NOW, we still have a fighting chance here!

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