New guy question

eagle#eyes · Jun 29, 2015

I'm new to the forum as well as quality optics. I'm looking at a new pair of 15's and am considering the swaros,zeiss conquest as well as the euro hd's. I know the only way to judge for yourself is to look through them, and have read as many reviews as possible about the 3. Any particular review says 1 or the other is better or close enough to the swaros to justify not paying that much,my question is will that still be the case in 5-10 years? I know these sets are relatively new so there may not much data on it. I have close eyes so not just any set will work for me and I have yet to get my hands on the euro's,cabelas hasn't had them in stock yet.*I'm stuck and looking for any help especially from anyone who's had the opportunity to compare the 3, or any info/opinions in general.
Thanks

realunlucky · Jun 29, 2015

You'll find neither the conquests or euro directly compare to the slc or el. Comes down to if the compromises are worth the savings to you.

eagle#eyes · Jun 30, 2015

Correct me if i am wrong but the EL's only come in 12x50, is that correct? Just out of curiosity is that something they would potentially release in a 15x56 like the SLC or is that creating to much in house competition?

Phillip Hathaway · Jun 30, 2015

Eagle you are correct the max for the EL is 12 and 15 for the SLC. I looked through Euro and chose the SLC. I love my swaro.

eagle#eyes · Jun 30, 2015

Thanks for the feedback. I guess the only thing to really do is go out and try and compare the 3 side by side by side watch the classifieds. Thanks again.

LaGriz · Jun 30, 2015

eagle#eyes,
Welcome fellow FNG! I just had a idea about a pair of Leica Dual-power binos someone had listed on this sight recently. Fine glass with the option to have a greater field-of-view at one power and then zoom up when you mount them on a tri-pod. Just a thought. I think they were 8-to 12X and around 50MM objectives. No doubt pretty heavy compared to most glass out there. They do however, fill a void for a hunter that wants high magnification at times and utillity use (hand held) when at 8 power. Good luck
LaGriz

eagle#eyes · Jun 30, 2015

LaGriz said:
eagle#eyes,
Welcome fellow FNG! I just had a idea about a pair of Leica Dual-power binos someone had listed on this sight recently. Fine glass with the option to have a greater field-of-view at one power and then zoom up when you mount them on a tri-pod. Just a thought. I think they were 8-to 12X and around 50MM objectives. No doubt pretty heavy compared to most glass out there. They do however, fill a void for a hunter that wants high magnification at times and utillity use (hand held) when at 8 power. Good luck
LaGriz

That does sound pretty intriguing to be able to go from 8 power to 12. Died that option hold up as well as a regular bino? I've also heard more negatives about leica customer service in comparison to Swarovski and zeiss. Do all of the big three have a full transferable warranty if you buy used? I hadn't given leica much thought because of that customer service stuff but my uncle hunts with a few guys that have the 15x56 rangefinders and they claim is the best glass out there.

eagle#eyes · Jun 30, 2015

And thanks for the welcome.

cscalvin · Jun 30, 2015

I compared Zeiss, Swaro, and Meopta's in my search for 15s. Of course the SLCs were the best, but did it justify the extra money? Not in my opinion. I just picked up a pair of Zeiss Conquest HD 15x56s for $1000. There's a used pair on coueswhitetail.com for $1200 I believe right now. That's $1000 cheaper than the SLCs new. Cabela's/Meopta were impressive as well, but I thought the Zeiss's were on par with it, so there was no need for me to spend $1700 on them. I had all 3 on a tripod outside and that was the best way for me to test them. If money isn't an issue, get the Swaros.

PS- Tried out the Kaibabs and they don't even come close to those top 3. Just my opinion.

cscalvin · Jun 30, 2015

http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?28564-Zeiss-Bino-Demo-Sale
Just found this where they are selling demos for $999. Hard to beat

eagle#eyes · Jul 1, 2015

cscalvin said:
http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?28564-Zeiss-Bino-Demo-Sale
Just found this where they are selling demos for $999. Hard to beat

That is hard to beat. Like you said, the Swaros are better to me in every way i could tell. The Swaros fit my face better, hands better, had a sharper image to my eyes and the focus wheel felt a little loose/fast/sloppy on the Zeiss. That's not to say the Zeiss was bad at all, just fell short compared to the SLC's. At that kind of a price point though it's hard to no like them though.

rileybassman · Jul 1, 2015

Don't have the swaros, so maybe not a fair statement (I have looked through swaros etc in the store), but I absolutely love my Conquest HDs (10x42) I can't really see needing another upgrade, and when you get them on a good sale, tough to beat! They are noticeably brighter and crisper then my wife's viper HDs (which are great in their own right)

Ryan Avery · Jul 1, 2015

Are you stuck on the 15s. I went that route first then found the 12 ELs to be much more versatile. I pretty much use them for everything now. IMO I give up very little glassing off a tripod with the 12s vs 15s, with the added bonus of using them without a tripod.

eagle#eyes · Jul 1, 2015

Ryan Avery said:
Are you stuck on the 15s. I went that route first then found the 12 ELs to be much more versatile. I pretty much use them for everything now. IMO I give up very little glassing off a tripod with the 12s vs 15s, with the added bonus of using them without a tripod.

I'm not set on the 15's, I just don't plan on getting a spotter as I am not a trophy hunter, and figured the 15's would give enough juice to get by without one. I haven't used quality 12's or 15's in the field, store parking lot only, so I can't really say if I would feel short changed with the 3x less power.

Ryan Avery · Jul 1, 2015

Are you taking a smaller set of Bino's?

eagle#eyes · Jul 1, 2015

Yes. I have some 10's bit was actually looking to grab some 8's to use instead for the field of view.

luke moffat · Jul 2, 2015

Ryan Avery said:
Are you stuck on the 15s. I went that route first then found the 12 ELs to be much more versatile. I pretty much use them for everything now. IMO I give up very little glassing off a tripod with the 12s vs 15s, with the added bonus of using them without a tripod.

12X is where its at!!!

Ryan Avery · Jul 2, 2015

Luke, do you ever use yours on a tripod?

eagle#eyes · Jul 2, 2015

When you guys are using your 12x are only they in place of the 15's or are they the only pair you carry?

Ryan Avery · Jul 2, 2015

This year I am only using 11 or 12s. For everything, bowhunting and rifle. It is partially Luke's fault

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