My understanding is that bushnell reworked their entire optics line becuase they were getting their butts kicked. I just bought the Forge 4.5-27x50 ffp so that I could get the binoculars. Picked the scope up for $830 from optics planet with with a 14% off coupon. I can let you know if they are any good once they are delivered. I couldn’t find many reviews out there.