.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

[BLJ]

Thank you @Formidilosus.

 

[id_jon]

Can confirm, I run 23.5 and am at 2650 with a 16" suppressed ar.

 

[roosiebull]

23.5gr 8208 will be +/- 2,650fps MV.

starting at that velocity, how far would that give you for adequate bullet performance on critters (black bear/deer size and down) using a 77gr tmk as an example? is 300yds realistic starting at 2,650 fps? kind of plotting on a shorty of some sort for calling cats, and deer setup for my daughter, and the .223 is fairly high on my list of cartridges for this particular rifle... i'm torn between the .223 and some 6mm cartridge

 

[amassi]

starting at that velocity, how far would that give you for adequate bullet performance on critters (black bear/deer size and down) using a 77gr tmk as an example? is 300yds realistic starting at 2,650 fps? kind of plotting on a shorty of some sort for calling cats, and deer setup for my daughter, and the .223 is fairly high on my list of cartridges for this particular rifle... i'm torn between the .223 and some 6mm cartridge

Ab says about 400 yards to 1800fps, per previous posts about velocity 2k was reccomended 1800ish sufficient

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[roosiebull]

Ab says about 400 yards to 1800fps, per previous posts about velocity 2k was reccomended 1800ish sufficient

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Excellent, thanks

 

[Formidilosus]

starting at that velocity, how far would that give you for adequate bullet performance on critters (black bear/deer size and down) using a 77gr tmk as an example? is 300yds realistic starting at 2,650 fps? kind of plotting on a shorty of some sort for calling cats, and deer setup for my daughter, and the .223 is fairly high on my list of cartridges for this particular rifle... i'm torn between the .223 and some 6mm cartridge

As amassi stated, keep it above 1,800’ish FPS. 400 from a 16” isn’t a problem.

 

[260madman]

Checked the steel I was shooting at 350 yards. Both of my Salvages were grouping under 4” with 77 TMKs and 75 Amax from my patented benchrest. 26” 9 twist and 20” 9 twist.

I paid $425 for the 26” stainless fluted back in 2008 and feel it was worth it. Knocked the spacer out of the mag box and made my own so I can load long with it. I paid $400 for the 20” Hog Hunter 8 years ago and left it stock, the Tupperware stock sucks bad.

 

[Wyoming Shooter]

I did some load testing today with my new Christensen Arms Ridgeline Scout .223. This rifle has a 1/8 twist 16" barrel. My best load was:

Sierra 77 grain TMK
IMR 8208 XBR 23.2 grains
CCI BR4 primers
Mixed brass
2.300" COAL

Max 2664
Min 2642
Avg 2649
SD 8.6

 

[Castle Rock]

That is a decent speed for a light load and a short barrel

 

[T.C]

Anyone know where to get some 77tmk factory loads? I've been using the hornady 75bthp here in FL for deer and they're nasty but after seeing the success and devastation the tmk does I'm wanting to give them ago in my tikka. Thanks

 

[amassi]

Anyone know where to get some 77tmk factory loads? I've been using the hornady 75bthp here in FL for deer and they're nasty but after seeing the success and devastation the tmk does I'm wanting to give them ago in my tikka. Thanks

Set up in stock reminders for black hills 77tmk.
Or unknownmunitions.com loads them

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[260madman]

Legal boundaries of the law?

 

[Castle Rock]

Careful what you say, he is an instructor

 

[260madman]

I was just wonder why the Legal boundaries of the law. You sounded like the old guys on Glock Talk that say you’ll go to prison for swapping a trigger if you’re ever in a defensive shooting. Takes a lot to offend me, it’s the Internet so no big deal.

I have some stories of those types. Unfortunately my father lets 2 of them deer hunt the farm. maybe Monkeypox will keep them away like Chinaflu did for 2 years.

 

[260madman]

Anyhow, loaded some more 75 Amax and 77 TMK with a different powder that I have enough of to last a while. Chronograph is along this time. Don’t think I’ll see XBR this year on the shelf in my area. I’m at the farm by myself for 2 days and then my wife and daughter will be up so I may as well make hay while the sun shines.

 

[roosiebull]

Anyhow, loaded some more 75 Amax and 77 TMK with a different powder that I have enough of to last a while. Chronograph is along this time. Don’t think I’ll see XBR this year on the shelf in my area. I’m at the farm by myself for 2 days and then my wife and daughter will be up so I may as well make hay while the sun shines.

Did you stay within the legal threshold of powder when you loaded those rounds? I heard game wardens in some states hide in the shadows with a chrono, checking muzzle velocity, just waiting to give you a speeding ticket for shooting too fast of ammunition, it falls under the “meat recovery act” and it can be a fine of 5k and 42 seconds in prison for first time offenders, and 3 offenses can lead to a suspension of your tmk reloading license

 

[roymunson]

judas priest... down the rabbit hole. I read a lot of it, but spent a lot of time scrolling around the posts in the fall and bear seasons.

So obviously this is a pretty devastating load and we've all seen the merits.

Is there anyone on here that would be honest enough to talk about how they used it and it DIDN'T go well? I mean real world experience. The positives have been praised pretty highly, but I'm interested if anyone has had a muley or an elk take one and just walk off, or something along those lines.

 

[Wyoming Shooter]

I did some load testing today with my new Christensen Arms Ridgeline Scout .223. This rifle has a 1/8 twist 16" barrel. My best load was:

Sierra 77 grain TMK
IMR 8208 XBR 23.2 grains
CCI BR4 primers
Mixed brass
2.300" COAL

Max 2664
Min 2642
Avg 2649
SD 8.6

Here is another load test:

Sierra 77 grain TMK
RL 15.5 - 24.8 grains
CCI BR4 primers
Mixed brass 2.330" COAL

Max 2632
Min 2612
Avg 2625
SD 7.6

This load groups well. However, it is a compressed load. The seating die leaves a minor crease in the bullet ogive.

 

[BLJ]

Mine from last week.
IMR 8208 XBR @ 23.5 grains,
CCI 400 Primer
2.26 COAL
77 GR TMK
ADI Brass

2564 FPS. Never measured, but 5 at MOA or just under at 100 yards with the Magneto Speed on the barrel. I would assume it would be at least as good if not a little better without the chrono on. This is a Ruger American Ranch with a 16” barrel. It’s slower than I had hoped, but I picked up 100 FPS over Varget. StrelokPro says 1806 FPS at 410 yards. It will work for me.

 

[fish impaler]

Factory 62gr tsx, savage axis .223 @188 yards