.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

[gman82001]

I will just sit here and enjoy the show to come

3 1/2 year old thread I think you’re late with the popcorn. I’d say you didn’t read the entire thing and have your mind made up based on old stuff you’ve heard.

 

[Formidilosus]

Wow, that's way smaller than I was expecting (never used TSX before). Isn't that pretty much what the TMK does at velocities a bit under 2000 fps?

Correct. Monos create relatively narrow wounds. At any impact speed above 1,800’ish, the 77gr TMK will create wounds that are larger than any .224 cal mono at any realistic speed.

I know consistent fragmentation is a huge force multiplier for rifle bullets, but it's still hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that one type of .223 HP bullet can make a permanent wound cavity that is literally twice the diameter as another .223 HP bullet at similar velocities.

All the lead core makeup, jacket thickness and design. It’s quite easy to make a 60gr .224 lead core hollow point bullet that does not deform at all at 2,800fps, and another lead core 60gr bullet that won’t exit a groundhog.

Follow up question for Form: generally speaking, what would you estimate the permanent wound channel size to be for bonded soft points such as gold dots and fusion at higher impact velocities? I'm assuming roughly in between that of the TMK and TSX, but I don't have much experience with bonded bullets.

Gold Dots/Fusions create very good wounds at high speeds. Similar, but not quite as devastating as the TMK.

 

[Bkballer777]

3 1/2 year old thread I think you’re late with the popcorn. I’d say you didn’t read the entire thing and have your mind made up based on old stuff you’ve heard.

Yep. Because I said my stance on all this and you know where I stand lol.

 

[awildswanger]

The 77TMK is a 4mph bullet out of my Tikka at my DA and it holds true well beyond 400 yds.

The issue isn’t the bullet, but rather the shooter’s/spotter’s ability to correctly ‘call wind’ in field conditions, especially rough topography.

Precisely why this combination works, as it affords the ability to shoot a lot and actually LEARN why shots hit where they do.

The one downfall of such a light projectile is that the splash can be difficult to spot at distance in various mediums.

I’m working my way into the Rokslide special here, but just out of curiosity do y’all shoot 77tmk every time y’all are out or do you guys burn through standard 55gr stuff and then re-zero prior to the start of hunting season?

 

[BjornF16]

I’m working my way into the Rokslide special here, but just out of curiosity do y’all shoot 77tmk every time y’all are out or do you guys burn through standard 55gr stuff and then re-zero prior to the start of hunting season?

I’ve got a bunch of Black Hills 77gr in TMK and SMK. For practice, I’ll shoot the SMK mostly but maintain the zero for TMK. My rifle has about 0.5 MOA difference between the two.

 

[Pharmseller]

Anyone have a pic of a 77 TMK cross sectioned vs a 75 ELDM?




P

 

[awildswanger]

I’ve got a bunch of Black Hills 77gr in TMK and SMK. For practice, I’ll shoot the SMK mostly but maintain the zero for TMK. My rifle has about 0.5 MOA difference between the two.

Thank you!

 

[Billy Goat]

Yep. Because I said my stance on all this and you know where I stand lol.

Get into the classifieds yet?

 

[Bkballer777]

Get into the classifieds yet?

Yep and I already bought a rangefinder hahaha.

 

[eoperator]

77tmk @ powder valley

sorry 77smk not tmk

 

[Billy Goat]

77tmk @ powder valley

Make sure they aren't SMK. I had found them in a search, got lost for a second before I realized what I was looking at.

 

[Lawnboi]

Someone try n540 as an alternate powder

 

[eoperator]

Make sure they aren't SMK. I had found them in a search, got lost for a second before I realized what I was looking at.

You were right, I must have misread or some kind of tom foolery happening there.

 

[Billy Goat]

You were right, I must have misread or some kind of tom foolery happening there.

I know because I did it.

 

[amassi]

Someone try n540 as an alternate powder

Just like Varget, can't get enough in for pressure. Compressed loads and slow mv.

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[cod0396]

Yes, there is a lot of facts but at a certain point it becomes people slinging stones. Me personally I wouldn't use .223 to kill anything bigger than a yotee. But that my opinion. If it keeps working for him then why not, until he has other outcomes, that my push him to think otherwise.

Not trying to start anything, but can you explain why you wouldn't feel comfortable using .223 on anything bigger than a coyote? The 77gr TMK has been shown to be an effective killer on animals several times the size of whitetail deer, let alone coyotes. There is plenty of proof in this thread. I just don't understand the hang up.

 

[TML75]

Got a chance to try the 77 TMK this morning on a whitetail buck and it worked just like everyone who has used them said it would. Entered the chest cavity, fragmented, deer ran about 25 yards. No exit hole, just some bullet fragments caught under the skin on the other side.

 

[jonandy]

Holy crap! Took me a few weeks to read this thread, so much great info!! Thanks to all who contributed, I had a ton of fun reading it, and I have even shared it with a few good friends. I really love reading about the actual bullet performance, not just a set ft lb. So much more important to understand how the bullet will perform at certain velocities. Now if I can just get some powder and TMK’s I’ll be set.

I have an AR with 1 in 7” twist, I’m sure it will do fine with the 77 TMK. I also have an older savage 112 with a 26” heavy fluted barrel. I believe it’s a one in 9” twist. I heard a few mention the same length of savage with 1 in 9” have you had good luck with it stabilizing the 77 TMK? I’m at about 4,500 ft elevation. Thanks

 

[260madman]

Holy crap! Took me a few weeks to read this thread, so much great info!! Thanks to all who contributed, I had a ton of fun reading it, and I have even shared it with a few good friends. I really love reading about the actual bullet performance, not just a set ft lb. So much more important to understand how the bullet will perform at certain velocities. Now if I can just get some powder and TMK’s I’ll be set.

I have an AR with 1 in 7” twist, I’m sure it will do fine with the 77 TMK. I also have an older savage 112 with a 26” heavy fluted barrel. I believe it’s a one in 9” twist. I heard a few mention the same length of savage with 1 in 9” have you had good luck with it stabilizing the 77 TMK? I’m at about 4,500 ft elevation. Thanks

Your Savage will be fine. I have 2, a 20” and a 26”, and they do very well with the 77s.

 

[jonandy]

Your Savage will be fine. I have 2, a 20” and a 26”, and they do very well with the 77s.

Awesome thanks!!