.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[ElPollo]

I’d love to see some data on what these non-lead DRT 79 gr loads do on game. Anyone try them yet? They seem like they’d be a much better approach than most of the other non-lead options, and the BC is actually a little better than the 77 gr TMK. I saw a post in the 6.5 thread of someone who used the 135 gr .264 on a Roosevelt elk. The wound channel looked impressive. Would be interested to hear about lower end upset velocities.

.223 79gr Elite Series Terminal Shock™ 20 Round Box – DRT Ammo

drtammo.com

 

[ztc92]

What don’t you like about the TAC?


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It doesn’t meter very well in my RCBS chargemaster and I found it to be pretty temp sensitive. My TMK loads shoot well with it but I ran into pressure in warm weather due to the temp sensitivity despite doing pressure testing in the summer when I first started load development.

 

[mighteywhitehunter]

Fired up on the .223!

Just got a .224 Bartlein Barrel 7 twist. Going to have an old Rem 700 ADL in .222 that I picked up for super cheap re-barreled and set it up to shoot the 70-90grn bullets.

For those of you who havent purchased a Factory rifle and built your own do you have any preference for chamber Specs? Go .223 Rem with dummy round of my liking to set the free bore or just go with a .223 Wylde and run it how It is cut?

 

[SquatchHunter]

Fired up on the .223!

Just got a .224 Bartlein Barrel 7 twist. Going to have an old Rem 700 ADL in .222 that I picked up for super cheap re-barreled and set it up to shoot the 70-90grn bullets.

For those of you who havent purchased a Factory rifle and built your own do you have any preference for chamber Specs? Go .223 Rem with dummy round of my liking to set the free bore or just go with a .223 Wylde and run it how It is cut?

I prefer the wylde over .223. It lets you push rounds into 5.56 pressures. I’ve heard fantastic things about compass lake engineering and their chambering. Might be proprietary with them and AR only but if there was a way to get a Remington 700 barrel cut to their specifications I’d rock that in a heartbeat.

 

[robtattoo]

Fired up on the .223!

Just got a .224 Bartlein Barrel 7 twist. Going to have an old Rem 700 ADL in .222 that I picked up for super cheap re-barreled and set it up to shoot the 70-90grn bullets.

For those of you who havent purchased a Factory rifle and built your own do you have any preference for chamber Specs? Go .223 Rem with dummy round of my liking to set the free bore or just go with a .223 Wylde and run it how It is cut?

I had my Ruger American chamber recut (actually, I HAD to have it recut....) & went with the Wylde chamber. It gives a little more flexibility on developing load OAL with no real downsides, other than maybe a tiny loss in velocity. My best load at 2.26" (factory .223 OAL) wasn't a patch on how it ended up at 2.40"
One thing you'll have to watch though, is mag length. I don't know the spec of .222 but most factory .223 mags are short. You might only get a couple of thou over 2.26. I ended up with an MDT, AICS pattern, 10rnd box that allows up to 2.50.

 

[wind gypsy]

Fired up on the .223!

Just got a .224 Bartlein Barrel 7 twist. Going to have an old Rem 700 ADL in .222 that I picked up for super cheap re-barreled and set it up to shoot the 70-90grn bullets.

For those of you who havent purchased a Factory rifle and built your own do you have any preference for chamber Specs? Go .223 Rem with dummy round of my liking to set the free bore or just go with a .223 Wylde and run it how It is cut?

Lots of good results from folks with Wylde chambers. I just inquired with a smith about getting a new tube on my RSS and he doesn't have a wylde reamer but proposed just throating it longer to meet the wylde distance to lands.

This drove me to dig into the difference between 223 rem and wylde on chamber prints. It looks like with a throating reamer it should be pretty easy to get close on the throat, the leade angle might differ slightly. The main difference from there is the wylde has a little more diameter everywhere around the case which in theory should allow a little more powder before pressure, a little more chamber clearance on an identical sized piece of brass, and slightly more resizing of brass when it's sized by a 223 die. In the big scheme of things, there doesn't seem to be a wrong choice. My loaded LC brass measures around 0.253" neck diameter which is pretty tight on a 0.2550-0.2540" 223 rem chamber neck. Lapua loaded neck dimension is more like 0.2510". If you're using LC or similar neck thickness brass, the wylde chamber would be more desirable to me.

 

[mighteywhitehunter]

Lots of good results from folks with Wylde chambers. I just inquired with a smith about getting a new tube on my RSS and he doesn't have a wylde reamer but proposed just throating it longer to meet the wylde distance to lands.

This drove me to dig into the difference between 223 rem and wylde on chamber prints. It looks like with a throating reamer it should be pretty easy to get close on the throat, the leade angle might differ slightly. The main difference from there is the wylde has a little more diameter everywhere around the case which in theory should allow a little more powder before pressure, a little more chamber clearance on an identical sized piece of brass, and slightly more resizing of brass when it's sized by a 223 die. In the big scheme of things, there doesn't seem to be a wrong choice. My loaded LC brass measures around 0.253" neck diameter which is pretty tight on a 0.2550-0.2540" rem neck chamber. Lapua loaded neck dimension is more like 0.2510". If you're using LC or similar neck thickness brass, the wylde chamber would be more desirable to me.

Awesome, thank you all for the input. I will go "Wylde" and see how it shoots. Dropping it off at the gunsmith in the next few days.

 

[Lawnboi]

I just dropped off a blank and my 223 at LRI, going 223 wylde, will report back.

I want it to do everything from 55-77g bullets

Will report when I get it back, hopefully some time in December.

 

[Mr Drysdale]

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Forgot to add he was shooting the 64 grain Sierra Tipped Game King ammunition. It groups well in the Tikka.

 

[Marbles]

Blue Collar Reloading has at least 10,000 TMKs in stock, that is after I bought 1,800 from them. Shipping is a good price too, even shipping to AK.

Sierra 22cal 77gr TMK

Product Information Caliber: 22cal Bullet Diameter: 0.224” Bullet Weight: 77 Grains OAL: 1.072" Bullet Style: Tipped MatchKing Boat Tail G1 BC: 0.420 Part Number: 7177 or 7177C Quantity: 100ct or 500ct

www.bluecollarreloading.com

 

[roosiebull]

I’d love to see some data on what these non-lead DRT 79 gr loads do on game. Anyone try them yet? They seem like they’d be a much better approach than most of the other non-lead options, and the BC is actually a little better than the 77 gr TMK. I saw a post in the 6.5 thread of someone who used the 135 gr .264 on a Roosevelt elk. The wound channel looked impressive. Would be interested to hear about lower end upset velocities.

.223 79gr Elite Series Terminal Shock™ 20 Round Box – DRT Ammo

drtammo.com

I’m very tempted to order a couple boxes

 

[Tahr]

Here are the in and out holes from the Red stag (a page back) that I posted about. 60 grn Hammer Hunter. The in hole is the bigger one, the out the smaller one. The exit only made a tiny hole in the skin (its just the unexpanded shaft that flies through.

It's interesting mucking around with various bullets but I think day in day out under all conditions the TMK (matched by 80 grain Berger jacketed customs that I also use) probably wins. But, the Hammers do excel on the bigger deer.

 

[ThatDUDE]

It's interesting mucking around with various bullets

I wish I could just "muck" around with different bullets on a regular basis. Major jealousy.

 

[Tahr]

I wish I could just "muck" around with different bullets on a regular basis. Major jealousy.

I would like to try the 79 DRT projectiles too but they don't freight to NZ.

 

[BAC]

Here are the in and out holes from the Red stag (a page back) that I posted about. 60 grn Hammer Hunter. The in hole is the bigger one, the out the smaller one. The exit only made a tiny hole in the skin (its just the unexpanded shaft that flies through.

It's interesting mucking around with various bullets but I think day in day out under all conditions the TMK (matched by 80 grain Berger jacketed customs that I also use) probably wins. But, the Hammers do excel on the bigger deer.

I'm looking at these hammer bullets and I see they have a tipped one. Have you used that? Do you have a preference if so?

 

[Tahr]

I'm looking at these hammer bullets and I see they have a tipped one. Have you used that? Do you have a preference if so?

No I haven't used the tipped ones. The tips come seperate with the projectiles and you have to put them in yourself. Seems odd. I guess the tips might improve the BC by a smidge and perhaps start the upset/expansion a bit quicker but I cant see much advantage for a .223.

 

[BAC]

End user installing them is a little odd yeah. Hard to imagine it will have the same repeatability as being seated by a machine. I'll have to look for some tests or uses showing wound tracts to compare. Do you have a preference in bullet weight for your rifle or do you kinda stick with what's shooting well?

 

[jadkins223]

Bear creek just dropped a line of 6 ARC uppers. Just FYI. Going to be tempting for sure.

BC-15 | 6mm Arc Upper | 20” 416R SS Straight Fluted Heavy Barrel | Rifle Length Gas System | 1:8 Twist | 15” MLOK

Looking for a 6mm Arc upper? Check out our 6mm Arc complete uppers with a 20” 416R SS Straight Fluted Heavy Barrel. BCA's ultimate shooting experience!

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[ACHILLES]

End user installing them is a little odd yeah. Hard to imagine it will have the same repeatability as being seated by a machine. I'll have to look for some tests or uses showing wound tracts to compare. Do you have a preference in bullet weight for your rifle or do you kinda stick with what's shooting well?

Hammer is having the customer install the tips until they get machines set up to do it rather than holding off a year or more to release them. I’m pretty sure they tested the tipped version extensively on game of all sizes in Australia, Africa, and NA. The main priority is terminal performance for their bullets. I believe their tester in Australia tried to make these tipped bullets fail and couldn’t. Along with shooting animals at severe angles and hitting bone, and damaging tips on purpose before using.
I’ve had great success with their bullets in several calibers. I like the fact that night hunting hogs I can use smaller cartridges and still get pass throughs on big boars so there’s actually a blood trail. Im moving to we’re im mostly using their absolute lines since they give an extra 100fps. From talking with a few custom bullet manufactures who have purposely damaged tips, seated them off center, or used warped tips it makes very little difference in accuracy or terminal performance at short to medium ranges. Although machine installed tips ready to load will be ideal of course.

 

[mt terry d]

223 77gr TMK 2775 fps MV
140 yards downhill quartering away
One shot. (Actually hit where I was aiming )
20' or two jumps from impact to laying stone cold dead
Clipped the liver, destroyed lungs, tomato soup.
Zero meat ruined.