25 creed vs the others

[_MountainBum]

Ballistic performance of the high BC .25 cal bullets are undeniable to say the least, but where do you see this cartridge fitting in with the 22 creed, 6 creed, and 6.5 creed?

Ballistically splits the difference between the hot 6cm and the proven 6.5cm with some impressive wind deflection and trajectory data, but would you take it over 108’s out of the 6 or 140’s out of the 6.5?

I have been itching for a new build after completing my recent and beloved 6cm, and it seems it’s between the 22cm, the 25cm, or stepping back into the 6.5 PRC and launching 147’s out of a 20” barrel despite the extra, while manageable, recoil.

What are your thoughts on the cartridge and how it falls into the ranks of the forementined.

 

[hereinaz]

The 6 mm is the best overall pill for that size case, IMO. But, the 25 with the high BC bullets is right there with it. It’s shades either way.

I like the 22 creed a lot more than the 25, it’s really a magnum cartridge, when comparing the powder charge to the bullet.

I like the 25 bullets with more velocity, around 3000 to 3100, so takes a short mag size case.

 

[_MountainBum]

The 6 mm is the best overall pill for that size case, IMO. But, the 25 with the high BC bullets is right there with it. It’s shades either way.

I like the 22 creed a lot more than the 25, it’s really a magnum cartridge, when comparing the powder charge to the bullet.

I like the 25 bullets with more velocity, around 3000 to 3100, so takes a short mag size case.

I love the 22 Creed as well, it seems like it falls off a little faster in velocity than the 6 and 25 which has me hesitant, but I also just watched the unknown guys post a story of a black bear getting killed by an 88 ELDM at 800 yards..

 

[Pickettpuncher]

I’ll keep my 25cm. I’ve had a blast with it. Shot against some 6cm and 6.5s. Don’t know that any of us had the advantage. I certainly wasn’t under gunned

 

[BigNate]

If you're splitting hairs the 25CM beats them all in one way or another and is the best overall choice.
Or, you could best the 25 CM reloading a .257 Roberts, 25-06, etc.etc.

 

[_MountainBum]

If you're splitting hairs the 25CM beats them all in one way or another and is the best overall choice.
Or, you could best the 25 CM reloading a .257 Roberts, 25-06, etc.etc.

I have a Kimber Montana in 257 Roberts from when they produced decent quality firearms and love that gun. Killed my first elk with it at 13 from 350 yards.

 

[willfrye027]

I think overall it’s splitting hairs. I shot my 22, 6mm, and 25cm with almost identical weights/setups on the same day at 1000 yards and could not tell a difference in hit rate.

The 25cm for me is right on the edge of too much recoil. On some shots in the field I’ve struggled to consistently spot impacts. The 22cm has been better in that regard.

I’m still fairly partial to my 25cm because I’ve killed so many great animals with it. Never once had to mess with charge weights, rezero, etc. it’s just so stable and foolproof and proven over and over again for me. The 22cm is more of a hot rod and I’ve had some trouble over 3 barrels now with a variety of load related issues and pressure issues. Probably due to running it close to the edge but still.

The 6cm I have a lot less time with but it’s a nice, noticable step down in recoil from the 25cm. Probably a happy medium as others have posted above.

I’d never try to talk someone out of a 25cm..I’m very fond of mine and of the previous barrel

 

[180ls1]

As suppressors / shorter barrels become more popular I think it'll eat some of the 6.5c market space and be a nice compromise between the 6 and 6.5.

Guys are going to think the 6.5c is a bit anemic in short barrels and the 6c 100ish gr bullets are a touch small.

130 class going 2850ish is a good spot to be.

 

[willfrye027]

I should clarify I’m not in the short barrel/suppressed camp. I get an easy 2900fps from 26” barrels and h4350 or n555 in my couple of 25 creedmoor barrels. Some of the lapua brass from the first barrel is on firing 9-10ish.

 

[_MountainBum]

After digging into data and verifying this across three different ballistic calculators (Hornady, Berger, Vortex) this data has surprised me between three, and quite honestly (unless something is wrong) the 22CM still seems to be the best in terms of performance for recoil.

All environmental data is the same in each data set, only things changed are bullet/speed info. These numbers are at 800 yards out of the three mentioned Creedmoor cartridges.

22CM
88 ELDM
20” barrel
3050 MV
Velocity: 1893
Energy: 697

6CM
108 ELDM
18” barrel
2815 MV
Velocity: 1699
Energy: 692

25CM
134 ELDM
20” barrel
2715 MV
Velocity: 1789
Energy: 953

 

[Pickettpuncher]

As suppressors / shorter barrels become more popular I think it'll eat some of the 6.5c market space and be a nice compromise between the 6 and 6.5.

Guys are going to think the 6.5c is a bit anemic in short barrels and the 6c 100ish gr bullets are a touch small.

130 class going 2850ish is a good spot to be.

Since you mentioned short barrels, I’m not sure you’ll be at 2850 with a 25. I’m at 2740 with a 20” suppressed barrel, and my first 200 shots were closer to 2640, with no suppressor. I’ve got roughly 400 shots thru mine

 

[CTXhunter]

I love the 22 Creed as well, it seems like it falls off a little faster in velocity than the 6 and 25 which has me hesitant, but I also just watched the unknown guys post a story of a black bear getting killed by an 88 ELDM at 800 yards..

Could you get us a link to the post? Thanks

 

[_MountainBum]

Could you get us a link to the post? Thanks

It was just a story they had posted on their instagram unfortunately! They go away after 24 hours.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

this data has surprised me between three, and quite honestly (unless something is wrong) the 22CM still seems to be the best in terms of performance for recoil.

I’ve been “preaching” this for around a year now to shooting friends and here on Rokslide.

Unless you have a minimum bullet diameter “law” where you are hunting, or if you simply want to shoot bigger bullets, there isn’t a “need” for anything “above” 22 Creeemoor in a hunting rifle; using the right bullets of course.

 

[schmidty3]

I think it's the most sensible choice.....

For making power factor in NRL.

I'm doing a 25 prc currently (mainly for hunting, sending those 133s at 3200 is nasty business)

My next straight competition gun will be a 25 creed, or I'm very tempted to do a 25 saw...which gets 100+ fps over the creed.

 

[TxLite]

After digging into data and verifying this across three different ballistic calculators (Hornady, Berger, Vortex) this data has surprised me between three, and quite honestly (unless something is wrong) the 22CM still seems to be the best in terms of performance for recoil.

All environmental data is the same in each data set, only things changed are bullet/speed info. These numbers are at 800 yards out of the three mentioned Creedmoor cartridges.

22CM
88 ELDM
20” barrel
3050 MV
Velocity: 1893
Energy: 697

6CM
108 ELDM
18” barrel
2815 MV
Velocity: 1699
Energy: 692

25CM
134 ELDM
20” barrel
2715 MV
Velocity: 1789
Energy: 953

It might be helpful to use the same barrel lengths for each if we’re going to be comparing.

With handloads my 18” 6 creed is sending 108 bergers at 2915 without pressure signs on 1x Lapua brass

 

[ResearchinStuff]

25 creed would be completely irrelevant if they simply made a higher BC 6mm bullet.

 

[BigNate]

25 creed would be completely irrelevant if they simply made a higher BC 6mm bullet.

They're all irrelevant if people would reload for cartridges that already exist.

 

[hoodoo406]

What bullets have you guys used for hunting in the 25 Creed? I'm debating building a new NRL hunter rifle around the 138 A-Tips, but I'd also like to do a little hunting with it as well.

Anyone used that combo yet?

 

[_MountainBum]

It might be helpful to use the same barrel lengths for each if we’re going to be comparing.

With handloads my 18” 6 creed is sending 108 bergers at 2915 without pressure signs on 1x Lapua brass

I only used an 18 inch barrel for the 6CM due to that being the length on my current build, we are in the process of moving so I am trying to get my loading bench set up. Have been curious what I can push these 108 ELDM’s at