Another good wolf study impact on game populations

[cuerro viejo]

Be nice if the Frank Church Wolf study would got unsealed.....

 

[Beendare]

Facts eh?

OK, lets hear some.

1) How much has it cost the different F&G Depts in the Decades of lawsuits and man hours to TRY to initiate some sort of control over wolves.

2) How much have wolves cost ranchers due to livestock loss?

3) How much federal funds have been diverted from all other species to deal with the wolf debacle?

4) How many tags were lost to hunters due to wolves?

5) How much taxpayer $$ will it cost us to control wolves when history has shown the only viable methods are poison and spending boatloads of $$ on federal trappers that are fairly ineffective? Alaska is paying super cub pilots [a buddy] to shoot them....and it's not cheap. Where is all of this money going to come from?

All ^ stuff the tunnel vision 'supposed experts' didn't factor in when they thought it would be cool to have some wolves...

Its sad that the folks that made these decisions were beholden to the special interest 'wolf' orgs and that they didn't consider global all encompassing solutions. They saddled us with a huge and very expensive problem....when hunters could have been a win/win.


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[idahohikker]

Facts eh?

OK, lets hear some.

1) How much has it cost the different F&G Depts in the Decades of lawsuits and man hours to TRY to initiate some sort of control over wolves.

2) How much have wolves cost ranchers due to livestock loss?

3) How much federal funds have been diverted from all other species to deal with the wolf debacle?

4) How many tags were lost to hunters due to wolves?

5) How much taxpayer $$ will it cost us to control wolves when history has shown the only viable methods are poison and spending boatloads of $$ on federal trappers that are fairly ineffective? Alaska is paying super cub pilots [a buddy] to shoot them....and it's not cheap. Where is all of this money going to come from?

All ^ stuff the tunnel vision 'supposed experts' didn't factor in when they thought it would be cool to have some wolves...

Its sad that the folks that made these decisions were beholden to the special interest 'wolf' orgs and that they didn't consider global all encompassing solutions. They saddled us with a huge and very expensive problem....when hunters could have been a win/win.


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Well said.

And the absolutely soulless and illogical environmental groups that tie things up in litigation endlessly are another awesome factor. Idaho was 4-5x over the recovery goal and the state was ready to manage the wolves. The environmental idiots held things up in court for multiple years until wolf numbers were absolutely out of control with the ludicrous idea that wolf population numbers were threatened (while their numbers were skyrocketing way over goals). While Idaho game populations have largely stabilized after the wolf debacle, there are places that are unlikely to ever recover (see: Church, Frank and Lolo).

 

[idahohikker]

It’s too bad the environmentalists don’t like deer, elk, black bears, etc. Just incredibly destructive creatures like feral horses, wolves, and grizzlies ideally left without management, in other places. A lot of the people who supported the wolf disaster lived in California, Oregon, Washington, and Back East.

 

[Hhardrockminer]

Here in SD the men in green did a survey. They captured 500 Mountain lions and tagged them, out of the 500 none had been tagged so their est. is that SD only has about 1500 cats in the hills.
That lets me know that you can't take anything the man says to be gospel.

 

[jmden]

The wolves are like poachers that we all very much dislike. A poacher steals from the rest of us whenever they want.

Wolves are like poachers because they are unregulated--they kill whatever they want, without seasons, all year long and, of course, wolves have no thought to the long term consequences of their often indiscriminate killing. Very different than lawful hunters.

Wolves have proven to be nearly impossible to control under the current scheme--look at ID where you can buy 5 hunting tags and 5 trapping tags for wolves per year.

Truly controlling wolves is not happening currently and that is, I have little doubt, one well thought out aspect by those that were the power brokers in introducing a non-native, invasive sub-species of wolf to the lower 48.

The perfect bio-political tool of the left sold to a population of people who are largely minions, indoctrinated and brainwashed by cradle to grave leftist propaganda through the education system and the media. Wolves were an easy sell...

 

[Islanderflyer]

Those anti hunters should watch a video on wolves killing an elk. Guaranteed those snowflakes would have tears in their eyes. Yet they think hunting is so unethical...

Wolves are out of control in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and UP of Michigan. My hunting property near Houghton is nearly deer free now when once it had tons of deer. Best we can hope for are a couple of really bad winters so everything dies and we can start over.

 

[KurtR]

Here in SD the men in green did a survey. They captured 500 Mountain lions and tagged them, out of the 500 none had been tagged so their est. is that SD only has about 1500 cats in the hills.
That lets me know that you can't take anything the man says to be gospel.

could you post a link to that I would like to read it.

 

[Dust Rider]

Equal access to justice act. Meant for the common man to take on the federal government in a lawsuit. Now every group uses it when suing to line their pockets. Don't like wolf delisting, sue and make hundreds of thousands over a technical mistake. Montana was supposed to delist at 300 wolves after introduction in YNP. Groups sued and tied up in court for almost a decade. How many millions lost to us the tax payer and wildlife?

 

[ClearCreek]

Here in SD the men in green did a survey. They captured 500 Mountain lions and tagged them, out of the 500 none had been tagged so their est. is that SD only has about 1500 cats in the hills.
That lets me know that you can't take anything the man says to be gospel.

While attending a program given by a Wyoming Game and Fish Department lion biologist that partnered with SD to do a mountain lion study in the Black Hills I heard that biologist say, "The Black Hills of South Dakota has the highest density of mountain lions known in the country."


ClearCreek

 

[street]

Just so it's clear about this specific thread. This is an article, not a study.

I don't doubt there is validity in those numbers but it's common scientific practice to disclose methods for acquiring the data as well as giving, at minimum, error bars.