I maxed out on points for M/S/G and still sit in <10% chance. Horizon looking worse with the expected applications next year and beyond. Utah, Montana seem only to get more distant as each year passes, not closer.How many is many years? Personally been 20 years for me in CO for goat and sheep and moose.....no tag yet. In the other states I apply for its only been 7-12 years, with no real expectation to draw for at least another 7 or more.
For me, anything under 13 points in any state is simply not going to happen. Yes there are a select few who get lucky, but really I think the magic number is around 20 years give or take for most states.....for prime tags double that for a realistic expectation.
Have never put in for goat or sheep - just don't have any interest at all.