Berger 200.20x vs 215 in 300wm

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I know the 215 is proven but has anybody tried hunting with the 200.20x? Looks like a little lower bc but I would imagine better velocity with lower recoil.
 

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Better velocity until what distance? What's the drift distance?
Recoil difference negligible likely undecerbable

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Hopefully I'll let you know pretty soon. I couldn't get either of the seekins havak 300WMs I've had to shoot the 215's worth a crap but it is showing a lot of promise with 200.20x. I'd choose the 215 if I could but hope the 200 works well.

According to JBM at standard atmospheric conditions w/ 10 MPH wind, 200.20x @3000 FPS vs 215H @ 2890, the 200 would be 1.1 MOA flatter but have 0.3 MOA more wind drift at 1000 yards.
 
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Muzzle velocity. But you raise a good point about velocity at distance I haven’t ran any numbers to compare them just wondering if anybody has tried them out that has experience with the 215s.
 
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Can’t say I know I’m pushing the 200s at the same pressures I was pushing the 215s so it’s hard to say what the velocity difference is. Berger’s quick reference guide shows that the 20x bearing surface is shorter than the 215s by about 0.050” or pretty close to the same difference between the 210 vld and 215s.
 

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3K should be very easy then in my opinion or more. I have gotten 3K with a 215 from select 26" tubes with H-1000 and a little more from 28" with H-1000. 3100 with a 215 from a 28" and N570. So the 200X could be a real screamer.

wind gypsy, what distance did you do the comparison?

Has anyone tested to see how much of an air void from the lead to tip on the 200?
 
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I have shot this rifle almost entirely at 100 yards. Seekins warrantied the first one for accuracy issues and I couldn’t get this second one to shoot 215s acceptably at 100 yards either so I just started with the 200.20x.

It has shot every charge of rl26 I’ve tried with the 20x accurately at 100 thus far. I have gotten up to 77.0 grains which was just a hair over 3000 FPS. I believe there is still a sizeable void in the nose of these bullets like the 215s.
 
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Thanks wind gypsy, good stuff. I see surprisingly little on the 200.20x in the 300wm. 215 is as proven as it comes but with the same jacket and higher velocity (less bc) as the 215, I don’t know why more haven’t tried the 200.20x as an alternative. The short bearing surface seems like it can be loaded fast and possibly make up for the lack of bc vs the 215s. But this is with me never trying it out, just thinking out loud...
 

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The 215 is the very best killer I have seen. That said I have tons of sample data from it as well. All the J4 jackets share the same similarities when swedged. Thicker towards the rear getting thinner as you approach the tip. The 215 has .400" of void between the tip and the lead face. The 7mm 195 has .300" and they didn't kill well for me on a one shot basis after taking dozens of elk with them. Not sure if a guy should credit the .100" more air void, .024" diameter of the bullet, larger lead face, or 20 grains more weight. But there was no comparison in terminal performance, the 215 spanked the 195 for putting elk down quicker in one shot. So this should be very interesting. If one of you could? Stick a wire drill or wire in the tip of a 200X and see how far back to lead. We know they will kill, and we know ballistics will be close to 1K, but will they produce the one shot kills the 215 does? That is the question in my mind.
 
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Really interested in these for my 21' win mag if it cant push the 215s like they would need. My biggest worry is them having to jump a mile in a chamber cut for a 215. Ive seen very little on game results from the 200 when scouring forums, seems mostly used by 308 fclass guys
 
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Really interested in these for my 21' win mag if it cant push the 215s like they would need. My biggest worry is them having to jump a mile in a chamber cut for a 215. Ive seen very little on game results from the 200 when scouring forums, seems mostly used by 308 fclass guys

I wouldn’t worry much about jumping em too far if bearing surface is only 0.050” shorter than a 215. I’m shooting mine at 0.050” jump right now as it is.
 

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3K should be very easy then in my opinion or more. I have gotten 3K with a 215 from select 26" tubes with H-1000 and a little more from 28" with H-1000. 3100 with a 215 from a 28" and N570. So the 200X could be a real screamer.

wind gypsy, what distance did you do the comparison?

Has anyone tested to see how much of an air void from the lead to tip on the 200?

By my measuring method I get .406" on the 215 and .351" on the 200.20x


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3K should be very easy then in my opinion or more. I have gotten 3K with a 215 from select 26" tubes with H-1000 and a little more from 28" with H-1000. 3100 with a 215 from a 28" and N570. So the 200X could be a real screamer.

wind gypsy, what distance did you do the comparison?
Sorry, didn’t realize I didn’t post yardage on my comparison. That was at 1000 yards. The 215 would pass the 200 in velocity between 900 and 1000 yards.
 

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Not a perfect comparison but we did use the 200 Hybrid for a season on several deer from 30-400 yards and a bull elk at 685. Muzzle velocity with that load was 2950fps. They where awesome and acted just like any other Berger I've ever used.

I did do some velocity testing out of a 26" factory 300 Win mag with the 200.20x. With RL26 they were easily running 3150-3175fps without pressure issues. If I recall correctly H1000 had them around 3100. Barrel was shot so I never got an accurate consistent load with them.


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Sorry, didn’t realize I didn’t post yardage on my comparison. That was at 1000 yards. The 215 would pass the 200 in velocity between 900 and 1000 yards.
Thank you, I figured 1K was the test data. So very usable in many hunting scenarios if the Terminal performance is what we would expect. Thanks
 
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It sounds like the 200-20x should be a great hunting bullet for the 300 WSM? I can get about 2930 out of the 200 ELD-X, and 2800 out of the 215 Hybrid out of my 24” barrel. Norma brass is so soft, I just prepped a batch of Winchester to try, since I had good luck with Federal but thought I should have “better” brass. I want to see some terminal performance info before I make the jump. I’m trying out some 175 Barnes LRX now, as this particular rifle lends itself to be very handy in tighter country 500 yards and in.


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