Your note about the fleece lining helps. I saw some online and I think they’ll be great with your description for late season hunts. The uninsulated work into fairly low temps with a baselayer.Sorry. Ive never looked for them online. I just happened to stumble on them a couple years ago while looking at the uninsulated ones. They were at meijer and walmart by me . I really like em because they have a fleece lining, but its not very thick. Its more of a thin layer so they don't bunch up and they aren't too warm wearing them being active when its quite cold out. I did notice the the first pairs I bought a couple years ago fit a little looser than the last two pairs I picked up this last fall and were made maybe just a fuzz better. But still great pants for the price. I just go up one size in the waste. I literally wear em all winter. I do wish they had a little bit looser fit, but for the cost and comfort, I like em alot. I think they were 25-26 dollars. I feel like half the time I go to buy either ones, insulated or non insulated, they are on sale. Ive prolly spent 12-15 on more pairs than I have paid full price.