Crow Tribe poaching vs Wyoming

[Btaylor]

Excuse me?? There’s none of us thumbing our noses at you. I understand the frustration of some laws that apply to NR. But insinuate we are thumbing our noses at you? I’ve got a great solution for you. Stay the hell out of Wyoming and hunt somewhere else.

Excuse me?? There’s none of us thumbing our noses at you. I understand the frustration of some laws that apply to NR. But insinuate we are thumbing our noses at you? I’ve got a great solution for you. Stay the hell out of Wyoming and hunt somewhere else.

If you happen to be part of the group of people responsible for the wilderness/NR rule being enacted or maintained, then my comment was directed squarely at you. Otherwise, I would suggest you read comments more closely or stop looking for a reason to be offended because my comment was not directed at you.

 

[Trr15]

Herrera willingly broke the law and is a poacher.

Evidently he didn’t....


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[jspradley]

It sickens me to think about the likely consequences of this decision. BUT, upholding a treaty is absolutely not the same as "righting a wrong" that happened years ago. This was a legal contract signed by two "willing" parties. It's a real, tangible thing and it needs to be respected. The government can't just tear it up and take those rights away. If they could, they could do it to anyone. I suspect that if you live anywhere near all but a few reservations, you realize that the indians still got the raw end of the deal.

I can understand arguing over what constitutes "unoccupied lands" but not about whether the treaty is valid. I was really hoping for a different outcome here, but the Supreme Court made it's decision and it needs to be respected. Perhaps the US Government should approach this by renegotiating new contracts with the tribes. It's only going to get more expensive as more Supreme Court cases are lost by the states.

Yup, the treaty is what the treaty is.

I don't like the decision but that's irrelevant. I would have rather seen them offered a renegotiation of the treaty to offer them something "better" than the hunting access and hopefully that can happen in the future.

 

[woody6899]

The only saving grace for the elk is that they inhabit tough country, usually away from roads. The deer and antelope populations is what will really take a beating.

The only issue with your statement is that yes they are up high away from people most of the year but in the winter they are down in the low lands.
My issue is that on our reservation, each member of the tribe gets 3 tags per person in there household. There is no rule that they have to shoot the elk. So cousin joe can go up the mountain and shoot 30 elk in a day. As long as they have all there families and friends tags, they can haul them all down and drop them off.



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[wysongdog]

If you happen to be part of the group of people responsible for the wilderness/NR rule being enacted or maintained, then my comment was directed squarely at you. Otherwise, I would suggest you read comments more closely or stop looking for a reason to be offended because my comment was not directed at you.

Read it again same response as before. Nobody is looking down their noses at you. You have the option of a resident going with you without having to hire a outfitter.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Yup, the treaty is what the treaty is.

I don't like the decision but that's irrelevant. I would have rather seen them offered a renegotiation of the treaty to offer them something "better" than the hunting access and hopefully that can happen in the future.

Is the right to US citizenship something "better"? Historically they weren't citizens at the time of the treaty, that was granted later (1924), sadly it took longer for voting rights (1957) but here in present day and age native Americans are "given" full US citizenship and voting rights, something that wasn't part of the original deal. Obviously it wasn't a treaty amendment to pass these laws but en mass the people of these sovereign nations were given citizenship offering them the freedom to live/travel/vote/etc. among the united states and not just their reservation and treaty provisions. With that in mind I have a hard time wrapping my head around a certain race of US citizen that is granted rights that other US citizens are not granted on US soil.

 

[jmez]

In the Bighorns most of them winter on private ground down low. They would not be able to shoot them on private ground.

 

[jspradley]

Is the right to US citizenship something "better"? Historically they weren't citizens at the time of the treaty, that was granted later (1924), sadly it took longer for voting rights (1957) but here in present day and age native Americans are "given" full US citizenship and voting rights, something that wasn't part of the original deal. Obviously it wasn't a treaty amendment to pass these laws but en mass the people of these sovereign nations were given citizenship offering them the freedom to live/travel/vote/etc. among the united states and not just their reservation and treaty provisions. With that in mind I have a hard time wrapping my head around a certain race of US citizen that is granted rights that other US citizens are not granted on US soil.

I honestly don't claim to know what the answer is, only that there has to be one where everyone wins, or at least loses the least. Unfortunately, as usual, politics makes that answer almost impossible to find

 

[wind gypsy]

In the Bighorns most of them winter on private ground down low. They would not be able to shoot them on private ground.

Weren't the 40 or so Elk they found killed out of season over 2 years in this area on public ground?

 

[jmez]

I'm not sure.

 

[JWP58]

Evidently he didn’t....


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Weird his two pals plead guilty.....

 

[Beendare]

Ok they have the right to hunt And fish... but can they drive where they arent supposed to drive? Use illegal methods? Waste game?

Seems like we need some clarity here.

The game warden in N AZ was telling us last year the tribal police caught a kid shed hunting on res land. Held him in jail for $15000 fine but also kept his truck, his Swaro binos..... even took his boots!

But then they can use illegal meanson USFS with no enforcement?

...seems like a boycott by hunters of indian casinos is in order....

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[87TT]

If Native "Americans" can vote for the law makers, Why don't they have to accept the laws that have been passed? Can they steal cars? Can they drive whatever speed they feel like anywhere they want? Can they refuse to follow any law they choose just because no one knew or thought abought it 100 years ago? On they Res they can do whatever the tribe says because it's their land but off they need to follow the laws they voted for.

 

[BuzzH]

If Native "Americans" can vote for the law makers, Why don't they have to accept the laws that have been passed? Can they steal cars? Can they drive whatever speed they feel like anywhere they want? Can they refuse to follow any law they choose just because no one knew or thought abought it 100 years ago? On they Res they can do whatever the tribe says because it's their land but off they need to follow the laws they voted for.

They are accepting the fact they never gave up their rights to hunt...the Supreme Court agrees.

This isn't complicated, read up on treaties, the Supreme Court has upheld them as "high law". The Government entered into a contract, they are required to uphold their end.

 

[RickH]

Down here in SW Colorado we have the Southern Ute tribe. They are allowed to hunt all their traditional lands legally through the Brunot Treaty, signed in 1874. The traditional lands include lots of Forest Service and BLM lands. This also includes unit 76 and 61 for sure , which are hard to draw elk units. as well as several sheep, moose and goat units. It's not a free for all though as they get limited tags and hunt during the regular seasons. For sheep, goat , and moose they might get only one or two tags for each of those species.

 

[LostArra]

They are accepting the fact they never gave up their rights to hunt...the Supreme Court agrees.

This isn't complicated, read up on treaties, the Supreme Court has upheld them as "high law". The Government entered into a contract, they are required to uphold their end.

Agree on the treaties but disagree with "this isn't complicated". Where in Wyoming can the Crow hunt? Herrera claimed he was lost when first cited so obviously he didn't know.

See RickH's post above. Upholding a treaty can be done right.

 

[bowtech840]

I know what I’m being for Halloween

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[Poser]

Down here in SW Colorado we have the Southern Ute tribe. They are allowed to hunt all their traditional lands legally through the Brunot Treaty, signed in 1874. The traditional lands include lots of Forest Service and BLM lands. This also includes unit 76 and 61 for sure , which are hard to draw elk units. as well as several sheep, moose and goat units. It's not a free for all though as they get limited tags and hunt during the regular seasons. For sheep, goat , and moose they might get only one or two tags for each of those species.

Ran into a tribal member last Sept while I was biking the CO Trail and watched as he let a bachelor group of HUGE bucks walk at less than 50 yards. He said he didn’t even know that he could hunt on that treaty until recently and he personally didn’t know of a single other tribal member who took advantage of it. I believe they get a rifle tag for every big game species that’s good for the entirety of hunting season.

 

[BuzzH]

Agree on the treaties but disagree with "this isn't complicated". Where in Wyoming can the Crow hunt? Herrera claimed he was lost when first cited so obviously he didn't know.

See RickH's post above. Upholding a treaty can be done right.

They can hunt unoccupied land in the Bighorn National Forest...that's a fact.

 

[awbowhunter]

Seems like a bad deal, that can really effect game management down the road.

Does Elizabeth Warren know what her peps are doing!!

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