Custom rifles and rifle weight.

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How many of you are using custom rifles for your long range hunting? And are you concerned about rifle weight? I am currently thinking of having a rifle that doesnt shoot well and putting a new barrel on it. If I put another barrel on it should I spend the money and go light weight with a carbon barrel and stock? I will also upsize from 6.5cm to a 6.5-284
 

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Carbon barrel doesn’t = light weight, just lighter than steel of the same diameter. The only real benefit of carbon is you can get a larger diameter muzzle for muzzle threads than a similar weighted steel barrel unless the steel barrel has a bunch of material removed with flutes.

Lighter the rifle, the harder it is to shoot well. So if the focus is long range, light weight is counter productive.

I’d figure out what you want your end weight to be based upon the compromises between ease of carry and ease of shooting and pick your components from that.
 
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I just did a 6.5-284 on a Benchmark barrel. The top stainless barrel makers are all around $350. I figure I can shoot out 2 stainless barrels for the price of 1 carbon. I went with a #2 contour and it is very accurate with the only bullets I have tried in it, 140 vld, 147 eld, and 156 eol.
 

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I've only built two customs, and currently building a third. What I learned from the first two is they always end up heavier than you think, especially when you get them "hunt ready" with any optics/ammo/bipod/can/brake/sling/cheek pad/etc. For this reason I selected all lightweight components for the 300 PRC build. Hopefully this will allow me some flexibility in selecting an optic, and better balance if/when I run a can.... TBD how it turns out.

Regarding a different stock, for me the biggest reason to add that would be ergonomics. Reducing weight is just a bonus. However, sometimes it can add weight.
 

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I've had some full customs and some semi-customs put together. Depending on what the rifle is used for I may be concerned about weight. I'm not the type of guy that is looking for a super-mega-ultra light weight set-up. But I do want a rifle with a solid optic, bipod, and suppressor that isn't a complete boat anchor.

I went for a carbon wrapped barrel when I wanted a long(ish) barrel to be used with a suppressor. If you don't know why you would get a carbon wrapped barrel, then stick with steel since it's cheaper and can be lighter. For me, the lightest steel barrel contour I care to have is about a #4. Depending on how far you are looking to shoot, a 22" #5 (bartlein 3b) steel barrel would only be about 3.7 pounds, and you'd still get good MV.

My latest build I went with a Ti action so that my optic weight budget could increase, Carbon Fiber stock to help offset the weight of DBM, and a CF wrapped barrel to offset the weight of a suppressor. I'm right at about 11 pounds all-in with suppressor (11.5 oz), bipod (14.5oz), 3-round accurate mag (5.9 oz), and about 2.5 pounds of optic/mounts.
 

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What action are you thinking about converting if you’re stuck with a 2.8 inch load length the 6.5x284 is it much better than hot rodding your Creedmoor if you can go 3 inch then definitely go 6.5x284
 
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What action are you thinking about converting if you’re stuck with a 2.8 inch load length the 6.5x284 is it much better than hot rodding your Creedmoor if you can go 3 inch then definitely go 6.5x284
I have a Tika T3X it has a medium action. The gun smith told me its the biggest round I can do without buying a new receiver or bolt.
 

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You should be good to go then I think you will definitely be happy with what you can get out of the 6.5x284
 

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I have a Tika T3X it has a medium action. The gun smith told me its the biggest round I can do without buying a new receiver or bolt.
Technically you could do 6.5 weatherby RPM or a 30/06 based case like 280AI which are bigger than the 284 case but do start running into COAL concerns with a tikka long action mag.
 
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Does your factory barrel not shoot? Iv now been around 3 tikkas in 6.5cm and they all were hammers
No it does not. My wife bought it for me as a gift right before hinting season about 3 years ago. When I broke the barrel in then sighted it in i would get 1.5'' groups. I was kinda irritated with it and threw it in the safe and forgot about the problems. Well I pulled it out this year and put it on paper I quickly remembered how bad it shot.
 

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Just out of curiosity, what ammo have you shot in your 6.5? My experience has been like that of @Lawnboi. My brother, two friends, and I have Tikkas in 6.5 and they all shoot the 143 gr Precision Hunter load into less than an inch. My hand loads with 139 gr Scenars do much better. Mine did not shoot the Barnes factory 127 gr as well as the Hornady rounds.
 

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My Tikka 6.5CM shoots the factory 140 ELDM load very well (with factory barrel). No real reason to replace barrels or hand load with accuracy like this. Although you may want to for other reasons.
 

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Nobody is immune to making a barrel that doesn’t shoot. I have four Tikkas and they all stack dots but there are tales of Tikka barrels that won’t. They’re out there. A Tikka is your best chance in a factory rifle, but it’s still a chance.

As far as customs and weight go, I built one on a Bighorn SR3, Proof 280 AI, and Alterra stock. With Hawkins rings it was 7 lbs 15 oz. Add a scope, ammo, suppressor, and I’m well over 10 lbs.
 

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Nobody is immune to making a barrel that doesn’t shoot. I have four Tikkas and they all stack dots but there are tales of Tikka barrels that won’t. They’re out there. A Tikka is your best chance in a factory rifle, but it’s still a chance.

As far as customs and weight go, I built one on a Bighorn SR3, Proof 280 AI, and Alterra stock. With Hawkins rings it was 7 lbs 15 oz. Add a scope, ammo, suppressor, and I’m well over 10 lbs.
I agree, that said there’s a lot I personally do before I decide that it’s a bad barrel.
 

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No it does not. My wife bought it for me as a gift right before hinting season about 3 years ago. When I broke the barrel in then sighted it in i would get 1.5'' groups. I was kinda irritated with it and threw it in the safe and forgot about the problems. Well I pulled it out this year and put it on paper I quickly remembered how bad it shot.
Before you give up on that tikka barrel I'd upgrade the stock to something like a Mesa Altitude and get it bedded properly.
And don't use the junk rings
If you determine that it'll shoot you can have the chamber reamed out to 6.5x284
 
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Just out of curiosity, what ammo have you shot in your 6.5? My experience has been like that of @Lawnboi. My brother, two friends, and I have Tikkas in 6.5 and they all shoot the 143 gr Precision Hunter load into less than an inch. My hand loads with 139 gr Scenars do much better. Mine did not shoot the Barnes factory 127 gr as well as the Hornady rounds.
Ive tried multiple kinds of bullets and no god grouping.
 

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Check out Oregon Mountain Rifle Company. They have CF prefit tikka barrels, and are an AG stock dealer. I recently customized a tikka with OMR, and I am really happy with it.
Like others said, the CF barrel being lighter is only sort of true. It is lighter than a steel barrel that would achieve the same stiffness. But, replacing your factory barrel with a CF barrel will, most likely, add weight.

My customized tikka 7mm Rem Mag is 7pounds 8oz, bare rifle. I could have been around 7 with a lighter barrel contour, but am happy with the accuracy and my ability to shoot the rifle vs a lighter weight gun.
 

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Check out Oregon Mountain Rifle Company. They have CF prefit tikka barrels, and are an AG stock dealer. I recently customized a tikka with OMR, and I am really happy with it.
Like others said, the CF barrel being lighter is only sort of true. It is lighter than a steel barrel that would achieve the same stiffness. But, replacing your factory barrel with a CF barrel will, most likely, add weight.

My customized tikka 7mm Rem Mag is 7pounds 8oz, bare rifle. I could have been around 7 with a lighter barrel contour, but am happy with the accuracy and my ability to shoot the rifle vs a lighter weight
Don't use OMR!
Mine shot like crap and they wouldn't make it right.
My smith said it was one of the worst barrels he's seen
 
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