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I had nutrition courses in collage and from what I remember the above is true.
I had nutrition courses in collage and from what I remember the above is true.
Right? Most guys who eat red meat every day.. probably ate it with two slices of bread and deep fried French fries.
You have to remember that grass-fed red meat isn't nearly as atherogenic as grain-finished red meat. I'd have no problem with eating elk in your case. As others have mentioned, it is leaner, lower in cholesterol, and great source of vitamins and minerals.
Studies show individuals who eat red meat have a higher incidence of disease. However, when you account that the vast majority of people eat red meat and the same majority of people eat shit food it doesn't mean much. Studies that account for factors like eating junk food and exercise show that people would eat red meat are actually heathier than vegans. Your doc has some old info. The real problem behind chronic disease is inflammatory foods like processed sugars.. if you can grow it or kill it your usually OK.
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That's what I was alluding to in a clumsy way when I mentioned antibiotics. Cows didn't evolve to eat corn, they're made to run on grass. The diet they're finished on is to fatten them up and save money, but cows can't survive eating it. That's where the antibiotics come in. They allow a cow to eat an unnatural (for it) diet and gain more weight.
Someone else posted an article but 300 of the worlds biggest rivers have levels of antibiotics considered unsafe for humans. When you consider that 80% of all antibiotics used in the US are used prophylactically, fed to livestock, you begin to see that drug resistance is easy to explain.
As others have mentioned processed meats are way worse than most whole muscle cuts, regardless of what part of the animal you use. Nitrates are a big problem, very unhealthy.
Cows didn't evolve to eat corn, they're made to run on grass. The diet they're finished on is to fatten them up and save money, but cows can't survive eating it. That's where the antibiotics come in. They allow a cow to eat an unnatural (for it) diet and gain more weight.
Reducing cardiovascular risk imo starts with limiting carbs, eliminating processed foods of any kind, insuring 25-30% fat, be on appropriate lipid lowering medicines and good routine exercise. LDL below 70 preferably at 50...
There are other risk factors other than already having established cardiovascular disease for certain.So, are you recommending people be on cholesterol lowering drugs that have no history of a heart attack or heart disease?
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They also said that smoking causes cancer. My dad smoked a pipe heavily for 60+ years and never got cancer. Lived to almost 90. And he ate a whole gob of red meat in his lifetime as well.
There are other risk factors other than already having established cardiovascular disease for certain.
Without CVD
High bad cholesterol ie LDL
Obesity
Smoker
Family history
Age 45 / 50 men/women
As best I recall. This used to be the guidelines - in part based the Framingham study which traced these 5 areas to be main culprit For having an event. Basically if you have 2 of 5 your risk is 20% in 10 years, 3 is 20% in 5 years. Already having an event you survived obviously takes risk for another even higher - I believe it’s 4 times that if the general population who haven’t had an event. The above math for certain escapes me now because guidelines have been so changed and relaxed as the new ACC came to be. My opinion there on the last.
Diabetes is an automatic equivalent to having a event even if you haven’t yet, the risk is that high.
If you’re say 50 and LDL is say 150, and no event - in my opinion yes you should be treated to lower your bad cholesterol. Heart related deaths are the number one killer in the United States. Period. Why wouldn’t you...
Disclaimer I’m not a doctor, but have worked in this field in sales capacity.
I think he's fallen victim to "survivor bias". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_biasYou aren’t suggesting that smoking doesn’t cause cancer are you?
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Yes. I’ve read toothpaste causes cancer too.Thanks for the reply, I was just curious as this is something I have looked into quite a bit and some newer studies that I have read in the past show that that risk/benefit to using statins is not there for those who have not been diagnosed with heart disease or had a heart attack as cholesterol is there for a reason, not just to kill us, however you won’t survive without it. I am not a doctor either so.....
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I agree, I assume it is not those who make money off the sale of statins though. IDK. Thank you.Look st who paid for what your wrote.