Elephants, sportsmans rights and chit....

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For those that aren't SCI members- yet- here is the latest in the African elephant saga. It seems the Africans know that if the USA bans elephants a significant source of not only revenue is lost but its harder on the species with rampant poaching. Plenty of background on the SCI website and you will also see their legal battles here in the US against closed hunts, species transport, etc.

For those that aren't familiar with SCI, they are a high powered politically connected organization strictly backing hunting rights in the US and other countries. Before I joined, I was of the impression of SCI as a bunch of millionaire safari guys- there are some of those but the majority are guys like you and me- sportsmen. Many have money and political connections...and I'm glad they are on our side. Arguably the best pure sportsmans org and I'm proud to be a member.
If you just scan items highlighted- USFWS making totally arbitrary political decisions with no basis in facts on wildlife should stick in your craw

Latest news release;

African Wildlife Conservationists, U.S. Hunters Advocate for Elephant Sustainability

Washington, D.C. – On May 7 and 8, African conservation officials and advisors traveled to Washington, D.C. to demand that the U.S. government reverse its recent decision to ban sport-hunted elephant imports from Tanzania and Zimbabwe.

Secretary General Edson Chidiyza of Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife, along with fellow wildlife conservation advisors from Tanzania and Zimbabwe met with the U.S. Department of Interior, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the U.S. State Department to demand a reversal of this arbitrary change in U.S. import policy. They pointed out in the meetings that the ban will have a tremendous negative impact on wildlife conservation in their countries.

“As hunters, we have been the most significant funders for wildlife conservation and management in Africa, more so than any other tourists over the past 50 years,” said SCI President Craig Kauffman. “I find it distressing and shameful that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has made a scientifically baseless decision that will financially devastate the people and communities that depend on safari hunters for their livelihoods.”

Despite the fact that 800,000 families in Zimbabwe depend on the safari hunting industry, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) bureaucracy freely admitted they instituted their ban on sport-hunted elephants from Zimbabwe and Tanzania without any basis in scientific data. This admission that “anecdotal evidence” was the basis for their decision was made in their own announcement of the ban, then repeated by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dan Ashe on May 7th and subsequently repeated by FWS Deputy Director Steve Guertin on May 8th. Even Assistant Secretary for Fish, Wildlife, and Parks Nominee Rhea Suh echoed the lack of scientific justification they had for their policy decision.

“As an American conservationist, I’m proud that our entire system of wildlife management in North America is based on science. Yet somehow, the U.S. government felt compelled in their decision to ban sport-hunted elephant imports to the U.S. without any data or consultation with local officials. We will be requesting an oversight hearing by the U.S. House of Representatives in the coming weeks to investigate the arbitrary nature of the decision making process,” said SCI Foundation President Joe Hosmer.

The following conservation officials were in Washington, D.C. to fight against this decision: Director General Edson Chidiyza, Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife; Director General Charles Jonga, CAMPFIRE Foundation, Chairman Emmanuel Fundira, Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe; Ms. Adri Kitshoff, Chief Executive Officer of Professional Hunters Association of South Africa and Secretary General of Outfitters and Professional Hunters’ Associations of Southern Africa; Chairman Louis Muller, Zimbabwean Professional Hunters and Guides Association; Secretary General Mike Angelides, Tanzania Professional Hunters Association also representing Tanzania Hunting Operators Association; Board Member Piet Fourie, Tanzania Professional Hunters Association; and Wildlife Management Specialist Rowan Martin.
 

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I wonder how many loads it would take to pack out a deboned elephant ? :) Not really news that our current administration really sucks and that they will probably not reverse the decision because it panders to their base which is all they have come November. If they can whip the base into a frenzy and De motivate the the middle with platitudes and double speak they might be able to keep the Senate at least deadlocked. I'm voting and I hope everyone else does too. If the Republicans can take the Senate and pad their lead in the house the AIC will have a miserable last two years and maybe even get impeached. Most importantly Obama couldn't get a dog catcher comfimed much less a supreme court nominee if the Senate is Republican.
 
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Agreed.

As sportsmen we are more individual than the general public- there lies our weakness; We want to avoid politics at all costs and I don't blame anyone for thinking that way.

Problem is; Everything is Political....and thats a fact. It shouldn't be but it is and if we stand by and do nothing its going to get worse. To the guy who is reading this thinking, "I'm fine they aren't taking my _ _ _ _ away" All it takes for bad things to happen is for good people to stand by and do nothing. [actually a famous quote] and that has proven out throughout history.

It wouldn't take much to set the crazies straight...but we need everyone to contribute in a small way.
 

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SCI is a major fighter for all hunters rights. They fight in courts and elections all over the world. I encourage everyone to consider joining and supporting them because very few conservation organizations put time and money into the national legal system.

SCI has also led the lawsuit to allow Californians to bring in legally shot Mtn Lions. Right now it is illegal no matter where its from.
 
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As ridiculous as this might sound, I really have no use for USFWS. They couldn't care less about the people that fund them. All they really give 2 chits about are endangered species and hoarding land that sportsmen aren't allowed to use. They don't care about management as a whole, only very small bits and pieces of it.
 
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Jamie, good point. I think the problem with USFWS is it has become a pawn in the political arena-its no longer about balance of species. Politics is the basis for all of their decisions and all of their pending issues- wolves, polar bears, african lions, elephants, etc illustrate that.
 
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Exactly. Let's think about this semi-logically for a second...Why in the world would the USFWS even have much of an opinion AT ALL on an animal shot across an ocean from the US?
 

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this is a global thing right? a guy living in the desert, should still care if whales get extinct right?

while i dont agree with them..i'm okay with them looking across the planet. i see a lot of people taking that "at least it's not in my backyard" stance. i myself have been guilty of this.

now back to the elephants. putting a HUGE value on them as a commodity will save them as a species. managing them as a commodity really is the logical step in my mind. if they are worth millions to the locals, they could be managed like our whitetails (haha), and generate some crazy money..then poachers cant even touch them...
 
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this is a global thing right? a guy living in the desert, should still care if whales get extinct right?

while i dont agree with them..i'm okay with them looking across the planet. i see a lot of people taking that "at least it's not in my backyard" stance. i myself have been guilty of this.

now back to the elephants. putting a HUGE value on them as a commodity will save them as a species. managing them as a commodity really is the logical step in my mind. if they are worth millions to the locals, they could be managed like our whitetails (haha), and generate some crazy money..then poachers cant even touch them...

Private sector, sure. The Fish and Wildlife department that I pay for to keep things in line in my country, no. They can't even handle their actual responsibilities, much less what is going on in Africa.

Case in point.
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/news/...ory-bird-programming-in-california-and-nevada
 
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this is a global thing right? a guy living in the desert, should still care if whales get extinct right?

while i dont agree with them..i'm okay with them looking across the planet. i see a lot of people taking that "at least it's not in my backyard" stance. i myself have been guilty of this.

now back to the elephants. putting a HUGE value on them as a commodity will save them as a species. managing them as a commodity really is the logical step in my mind. if they are worth millions to the locals, they could be managed like our whitetails (haha), and generate some crazy money..then poachers cant even touch them...

Exactly, the short sighted animal rights folks "protections" are actually increasing poaching, giving villagers reason to wipe them out so as not to compete for their food/crops- actually giving incentive for wiping out of elephants. SCI is just trying to apply some common sense to this. One only has to talk to the folks living in these remote African areas to understand elephants are thriving..and in the process wiping out huge farms in one night.

The animal rights folks twist the news just like they tried to do against Ringling Bros- and got caught bribing witnesses to lie, etc- losing a big $14 mill lawsuit- link
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/animal-614860-groups-rights.html

All of these outfits throwing money around trying to take away our hunting rights- HSUS, PITA, and our own gov USFWS........its the least I can do as a hunter by being a member of SCI
 
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For those who wish to stay informed;
I went to our local SCI meeting last night and our legislative lobbyist updated us on SCI sponsored legislation in the battleground state of Ca, of interest;

SCI pushing for Archery Pheasant season

SCI pushing for a bill to make sure that the Pittsman Robertson funds actually go toward hunting and game issues- which is not the case currently

Lead bullet ban proceeding as passed- unfortunately

Why does this matter to YOU- (crazy Ca- right?) our lobbyist says 30 other states are exploring the lead ban, as Ca goes, so goes the nation. The Humane Society is pushing hard in Ca and no wonder; The states 37 million population is primarily in 2 spots- bay area and SoCal. Of the 37 mill....247,000 hunting licenses sold...less than 1% of the population hunts...so the HSUS knows we are an easy target to set presidents for other areas- and its working.

good link to know your enemy;http://www.humanewatch.org/ad/wayne-pacelle-in-his-own-words/

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Of note, HSUS is a Apprx $240 million org out to put a stop to all hunting- and they are chipping away.

The biggest pro sportsmans right org is SCI at about $24 mill...
then many smaller orgs like DU, RMEF- but these are niche players concentrating on Ducks, elk, etc

More from HumaneWatch;
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Thanks for the update B.

I thought that Pittman-Robertson dollars were required by law to go towards habitat/hunting issues already? I guess not...
 
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Thanks for the update B.

I thought that Pittman-Robertson dollars were required by law to go towards habitat/hunting issues already? I guess not...

attachments work for me, hmmm???????

As you know Pittsman Robertson collects $$ from certain outdoor sports equipment purchases- like guns. This money is supposed to go back into animal habitat and to support hunting. Guess what- its not. The law itself is written too loosely to enforce- thus the SCI sponsored legislation. Currently the funds go to F&G departments that spend them at their discretion. So if CA F&G wants to dart deer on angel island [at about $1,600 per] instead of opening up opportunity for hunters- they can.

if anyone wants to bump for their hunting bro's to see or add info- have at it....
 
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It doesn't appear there is much traction with guys on this forum...but I will keep updating, maybe someone cares

keep all this in one place; This is from back in January, Defenders of wildlife sued Idaho F&G and SCI and others stepped in to defend the harvesting of wolves

Court Denies Early Legal Challenge to Idaho Wolf/Elk Management

On Friday, January 17, 2014, an Idaho federal court judge denied an attempt by animal rights and wilderness groups to stop the removal of two wolf packs from the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness Area in central Idaho. Defenders of Wildlife, Center for Biological Diversity, Western Watersheds Project, Wilderness Watch and others filed the suit to challenge the Idaho Department of Fish and Game’s decision to hire a hunter/trapper to lethally remove two wolf packs in the Wilderness area. The state action will help stem a 43% decline in the area’s elk population.

Because of strict filing deadlines imposed by the Court, Safari Club had to move quickly to join the case to defend IDFG’s management decision. Thanks to several SCI members who worked with SCI’s legal team through the weekend to prepare their sworn statements, SCI was able to file a motion to intervene, provide the voice of the hunting community and help oppose the Plaintiffs’ attempt to stop the wolf removal. Thank you to those members that offered their help. SCI Legal Task Force member Paul Turcke, of Moore Smith Buxton & Turcke in Boise Idaho, is assisting SCI in this litigation.
 
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Michigan update;

SCI Leads The Charge Protecting Wildlife Management In Michigan

May 28, 2014

Lansing, Mich. -- Yesterday, Safari Club International's (SCI) Michigan Chapters worked in conjunction with the Citizens for Professional Wildlife Management (CPWM) to submit over 350,000 signatures to the Michigan Secretary of State in support of the ballot committee sponsoring a citizen-initiated law called the Scientific Fish & Wildlife Conservation Act.

“The voice of Michigan hunters and conservationists cannot be ignored. We are proud of everyone who has worked on the campaign to ensure that fish and wildlife are managed with sound science. Their work will be a lasting legacy to protect hunting and fishing rights from attacks by out-of-state anti-hunting organizations,” said SCI Past President and current CPWM Chairman Merle Shepard. “I want to thank SCI for their leadership in helping to collect signatures, as well as its financial commitment to fighting for our hunting rights.”

The Scientific Fish & Wildlife Conservation Act is a citizen-initiated law to:

Ensure that decisions affecting the taking of fish and game are made using principles of sound scientific management
Provide for free hunting, fishing and trapping licenses for active members of the military
Provide appropriations for fisheries management activities within Michigan necessary for rapid response, prevention, control and/or elimination of aquatic invasive species, including Asian carp


A citizen-initiated law requires over 258,000 valid signatures to present the law to the Michigan Legislature. If the Legislature passes the law without change within 40 days, then it becomes law. Over 350,000 signatures were collected with over 150,000 of those signatures collected by the volunteer organizations that supported the ballot committee.

"This citizens’ initiative is indicative of our membership speaking out as the voice for hunters and conservationists in both the state of Michigan and around the world," said SCI President Craig Kauffman. “I am so proud that SCI’s membership in the state played such a vital role in getting this across the finish line and for truly being first for hunters.”

What Michigan hunters need now is the ability to fight dollar for dollar against outside anti-hunting organizations. Please consider making a donation today at
http://www.citizenswildlife.com/donate/. 100% of your donation will go to the fight in Michigan.

If you wish to send a check, please send it to the following address:

Citizens for Professional Wildlife Management
P.O. Box 11082
Lansing, MI 48910

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