thinhorn_AK
"DADDY"
Is anybody loading hammers for their 300 win mag? I have a few hundred 166g hammers I was thinking of playing around with.
How did they work? What recipe did you use?
How did they work? What recipe did you use?
Any experience with TTSX vs Hammers re: meat loss?
I have no issues with TTSX or LRX but Hammers are clearly intriguing!
Keep thinking the additional projectiles must cause more meat damage.
Any first-hand experience comparing these two?
For 300 WM I was looking at the 160 grain HH or 166 grain HHa
All animals I have seen harvested with 199gn had very little meat loss. Very pleased with great bullet performance and little meat loss!Any experience with TTSX vs Hammers re: meat loss?
I have no issues with TTSX or LRX but Hammers are clearly intriguing!
Keep thinking the additional projectiles must cause more meat damage.
Any first-hand experience comparing these two?
For 300 WM I was looking at the 160 grain HH or 166 grain HH.
Awesome.All animals I have seen harvested with 199gn had very little meat loss. Very pleased with great bullet performance and little meat loss!
On all that I saw it was one exit. I would assume the petals designed to come off were absorbed by vitals.Awesome.
On the exit side, do you see 5 exit holes? I talked with Steve once and he said the projectiles are designed to come off at a 30 degree angle. Just wondering what you you're seeing on game.
Thanks
I’ve killed like 14 animals with the 199s so far. Now I’m generally a meat saver shot kinda guy usually looking for bullet impact 2” or so behind the shoulders to eliminate meat loss. I have lost very little meat even on the shoulder shot ones.Any experience with TTSX vs Hammers re: meat loss?
I have no issues with TTSX or LRX but Hammers are clearly intriguing!
Keep thinking the additional projectiles must cause more meat damage.
Any first-hand experience comparing these two?
For 300 WM I was looking at the 160 grain HH or 166 grain HH.
And yes I frequently see five exit holes.Awesome.
On the exit side, do you see 5 exit holes? I talked with Steve once and he said the projectiles are designed to come off at a 30 degree angle. Just wondering what you you're seeing on game.
Thanks
I hope this info is helpful for thinhorn_AK. I'm in the same boat only don't yet have any Hammers.
With Barnes, which I'm familiar, I stepped down in weight to get more velocity which is very important with monos. Does the same philosophy hold true with Hammers? Steve stated somewhere, can't remember where, he uses a softer copper when compared to Barnes. Hammers, for this reason, I suspect don't need as much velocity to fully open up and lose all projectiles? If so, I suspect their minimum impact velocity (MIV) is less than 1800 fps but I've never seen a quoted MIV.
Elk: I would normally go with 165 or 180 (cup/core, bonded, etc.). With Hammers, I was thinking 160 HH or 166 HH would work great especially with the 4 extra projectiles. I've even considered the 152 HH.
Deer: 152 HH or 137 HH.
Pronghorn: 137 HH.
I'm intrigued by the absolute hammers, in particular the 162 AH, but there's no load data and it seems like you are reloading at your own risk per Steve's warning. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
I would reload for 300 WM and 30-06.
In your experience, what weight do you like for elk and for deer in 0.308?Hammer's list their Minimum Velocity at 1800fps, however it is reportedly lower then that, but Steve likes to maintain the 1800fps minimum to ensure extremely effective killing. PERFECT
The Hammer's do function better with more speed, but not for the same reason as a Barnes. Hammer's primary method of producing damage is by pushing a flat faced bullet through tissue as fast as possible. This maximizes the amount of trauma in tissue.... picture a bowling ball being rolled through a puddle (slow 200grain lead bullet with a large mushroom) vs using the flat of your hand to slap the same puddle (fast 152HH with a flat face. The bowling will displace the water slowly and it will all return to normal, the hand slap will empty the puddle. GREAT EXPLANATION
After 3 seasons of using Hammer's and seeing the on-game results, I have dropped several weight classes of bullets and have only had better performance. This year I'll be shooting a 151AH from a 300wsm vs 181HH from 300wm, a 124HH instead of a 152HH in 308win, 260Rem, 6.5SS and 338SS will all see a decrease in the bullet weights used, once I run out of my current supply. THINKING THE SAME THING
What did you seat the 181s at I don't have my.notes in front of me just curiousI’m using the 181 hammer hunters in my 300 mag pushed to 3180ish. I got over 3200 but was at pressure. Was using 7828ssc but will be switching to rl23 for better temp stability and supposedly even more velocity. Have performed fantastic on everything I’ve shot so far. I’m also using the 131 in my PRC going 3160. Got to 3245 but that was at pressure. Both barrels are 24”. They are extremely easy to load for. I would say to keep the bullet above 1800 for proper expansion, and adhere to the twist requirements. Supposedly there have been some improper expansion from marginally stable bullets according to Steve from hammer. I run 156 Berger’s in my PRC as well at 2990 and gain an extra couple hundred yards shooting distance for maintaining proper expansion speed.
There's a ton of reading on these on the HammerTime forum and on Long Range OnlyIn your experience, what weight do you like for elk and for deer in 0.308?
Sounds like I would do really well in the 150 grain range for all species.
Seating depth do you start 20 thousands off the lands?
On average, how much faster are you pushing the bullets over traditional load data?
Absolute Hammer, how are you approaching reloading?
Sorry about all the questions.