Idaho legislature screws us again

Mtnboy

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Maybe you should buy your own land instead of bitching about landowners who saved and worked hard to buy their land.

This envy and hatred of others who possess more than you seems really popular with the younger socialist give me generation


I own land. An amount that I would think is more than the average person owns. I also worked hard enough and saved enough to own it before I'm old too.

What does that have to do with illegally posting public land?

Just because I'm a land owner the laws shouldn't apply and I should be able to illegally block access to Public Land?
 
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Some sportsmen just need to use such public land legally and have others document it, then be fully cooperative when the law shows up, allo themselves to be arrested (no prosecutor will prosecute this) and then booked. as soon as a person is wrongly booked it constitutes a felony and a prosecutor will prosecute False Imprisonment. I would think that a couple such cases going public would swiftly change the mindset of these outlaw landowners.
 
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Maybe you should buy your own land instead of bitching about landowners who saved and worked hard to buy their land.

This envy and hatred of others who possess more than you seems really popular with the younger socialist give me generation
Did you even read what this thread is about? This is not about socialist Millenial "have land" and "don't have land" BS. This is about the Idaho Legislature protecting criminals under the guise of harassing lawsuits that could potentially be brought against the hallowed few that get their rocks off by illegally posting public land. If you actually read the attached material in the OP, and still feel the way you do; then I think you have a long and checkered career ahead of you as an overweight, egotistical Wilkes Bros security guard. (I hear they give free cases of little man's syndrome to every employee upon hire. Free of charge).
 

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Maybe you should buy your own land instead of bitching about landowners who saved and worked hard to buy their land.

This envy and hatred of others who possess more than you seems really popular with the younger socialist give me generation

Maybe you should buy your own politicians like the "landowners" did. Wilks' lobbyists present during legislative committee deliberation on this bill. I'd say ID voters have some work to do @ the ballot box. Live by the R, get locked out of your own public lands by the R. The voting record on this bill makes that clear.

Its our public land. The envious ones are the crooked landowners, trying to take what they can't buy by posting signs, gates and buying legislators. The property owners who illegally post public lands are the criminals, not the public land owners who are legally allowed to use our public lands.

The corrupt ones are the asshat landowners. They are only interested in law & order when it backs their play. They count on LEOs being unequipped to challenge them. Okhotnik, this bill is democracy not socialism. Land owners are not oligarchs in America, regardless of efforts in the White House. At least not yet.
 

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So whats to stop a guy with a set of bolt cutters from fixing the illegal blocked access?

asking for a friend....:unsure:
 

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Last year they passed the new trespass law based on the "fact" that all sportsman have or should have GPS and don't need landowners to post property boundaries anymore.
This exact phrase was used at the ND meeting for our new private land bill.

They want us to use our GPS and don't need to post boundaries.

But GOD FORBID their own fence line or property boundaries are incorrect and would be used against them.
 
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This exact phrase was used at the ND meeting for our new private land bill.

They want us to use our GPS and don't need to post boundaries.

But GOD FORBID their own fence line or property boundaries are incorrect and would be used against them.
If knowing what property boundaries are "correct" and "incorrect" were that easy, we wouldn't need land surveyors......
 
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This exact phrase was used at the ND meeting for our new private land bill.

They want us to use our GPS and don't need to post boundaries.

But GOD FORBID their own fence line or property boundaries are incorrect and would be used against them.

Exactly, they used the argument that all sportsmen have or should have GPS so landowners shouldn't have to post property anymore. They greatly reduced the signage requirements and simultaneously increased the fines and penalties. Now, they have blocked this bill that would have allowed for citizens to file civil lawsuits if we used one of GPS devices to show that the landowner was blocking public access with improper signage or fencing.

With the first law they said F-you to Idaho Sportsmen and with this bill being defeated they just defecated on our collective grave.
 
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I can see both sides of the agruement, fences are lines of convenience not property boundaries in a lot of states, even between private property owners. They are to fence in or out livestock.

I get pissed to when something is posted that’s actually public land, but as a land owner, you could go broke trying to define ownership of a road everytime someone wants to cut through it.

Even in the wilks case, “IF” it’s thier road and they are paying taxes on it and pay to maintain it, I get restrictioning access.
 

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Even if the Wilkes own the road and pay taxes on it, there could be a prescriptive easement for the road from long term public use. They are probably gating them to try and nullify the easement. It would probably have to be resolved in court.
 

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Even if the Wilkes own the road and pay taxes on it, there could be a prescriptive easement for the road from long term public use. They are probably gating them to try and nullify the easement. It would probably have to be resolved in court.

Idaho Wildlife Federation did the research, there is easements in place, the gates can't be close legally.
 

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...Land owners are not oligarchs in America, regardless of efforts in the White House. At least not yet.
Dude? Am I understanding you here??
Live by the "R," what, as opposed to the "S"?.... crazy.
Just heard that Hillary isn't running again; you must be crushed.

Just as trespassers should get major legal beat down for doing their thing, so should corrupt landowners who post illegally.
 
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Idaho Wildlife Federation did the research, there is easements in place, the gates can't be close legally.

Then litigation should ensue to open it up, and the county and tax payers should take up
Maintenance on it.
 

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Then litigation should ensue to open it up, and the county and tax payers should take up
Maintenance on it.

The gates have never been closed. They just put them up to be douche bags. I'm sure they have plenty of their mall cop security guys cruising the road to scare people away as well.
 
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The gates have never been closed. They just put them up to be douche bags. I'm sure they have plenty of their mall cop security guys cruising the road to scare people away as well.

In your opinion. You have a group claiming a type of easement and a Landowner that says no, thus why we have a legal system. But an open ended legislation that subjects every property owner to liability over lines of convenience isnt exactly the answer either.
 
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This kind of issue is exactly why people should become BHA members!
BHA played no role in writing or presenting this bill, in fact they would not respond to my email and phone inquiries either. Idaho Wildlife Federation carried the majority of the load on this one. BHA was too busy having pint nights and comparing their skinny jeans to actually help with a "real" public land issue. If you know of any type of action plan or path forward that BHA has for Idaho, I'd love to hear it; but apparently they just want my money but don't want to answer questions about how that money will be used. Apparently pint nights, flat bills, and llamas are as far as they've gotten with the plan so far.
 

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