Moving on to a different setup and selling my pack. It's the internal frame style Timberline 1 (7,200 ci I believe?), comes with a belt pouch and grab-it. It's in really good shape and is clean, no bloodstains. Still has the snow collar, I know some people remove it, but I never did. I'm not entirely sure what stays are in it, if anyone knows how to find out that out I'd be happy to check it out after work. $375 shipped, paypal friends & family, or +3% for paypal fees.