Montana Combo Application?

[cnewso2]

When does Montana’s 20/21 online application open for elk combo and big game combo for non residents? I see where the deadline was March 15th, 2019 for the 19/20 season, but I can’t seem to find anything that says when the application will be available online. Thanks

 

[netman]

This should help.

 

[Cdroot89]

I believe that the application opens on the 1st of March. I have not read when it ends this year but I do believe others on here said it closes the 1st of April. The results will return in two weeks instead of the historic six weeks because they eliminated the mail in option.

 

[Cdroot89]

Here are screen shots of the email from Montana FWP.

 

[Doc Holliday]

This should help.

Oregon is open now. Bought mine on Jan 12th. Must put $172 annual hunting license in basket in order to view/purchase controlled hunts.

 

[boxzer8907]

Is it worse odds for the combo than straight elk tag? Cant seem to find the drawing stats on Montana website.

 

[Cdroot89]

Looking at the statistics posted below the Elk Combo vs Big Game Combo are within a few percentage of each other for zero or one preference points. It looks like there are substantially more Big Game Combo tags available, 9,807 to be exact.

 

[mike.adams.467]

Looking at the statistics posted below the Elk Combo vs Big Game Combo are within a few percentage of each other for zero or one preference points. It looks like there are substantially more Big Game Combo tags available, 9,807 to be exact.View attachment 148148

Do you mean there will be an additional 9800 tags available in 2020? I was one of the unlucky ones in the 2019 big game combo draw!


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[Cdroot89]

No, sorry for the confusions. What I was trying to say is that they give out more Big game combo tags than elk combo tags. Last year there were 13506 big game combos given out but 3699 elk combo. That number I was referring to was 13506-3699=9807 more Big Game combo tags than elk combo tags given out in 2019. I haven’t looked at the number of tags allocated for 2020 nonresident. If you look at the historic number of tags allocated it has been relatively stable.

Edited to add historic trends.

 

[Racer00]

Looking at the statistics posted below the Elk Combo vs Big Game Combo are within a few percentage of each other for zero or one preference points. It looks like there are substantially more Big Game Combo tags available, 9,807 to be exact.View attachment 148148

I understood that it was a preference point system for big game combos. In the above chart, only 77% with one point drew and 55% drew with zero points. I was one of the lucky ones to draw with zero, but what about the 23% with one point who didn't? Am I missing something?

 

[Cdroot89]

What you need to factor in is that 75% of the licenses are distributed to the people with the most preference points. The remaining 25% gets distributed without the advantage of preference points. I previously thought that everyone who didn’t draw gets an even chance at the last 25% regardless of how many preference points you have. This may be true as I didn’t do the math for the odds. At a glance, it sort of looks to me like that 25% goes to people with zero pp. If that is the case (I don’t think it is) theoretically if point creep continues you could have a better chance with zero pp. lol.

 

[MT257]

Remember last year Montana over issued licenses to non-residents.

 

[jmez]

Is it worse odds for the combo than straight elk tag? Cant seem to find the drawing stats on Montana website.

This comes up every year and confuses a lot of people. If I understand it correctly, the elk tags are the limiting factor, not the deer tag. The deer tag is simply if you want one with your elk tag. They have a NR quota number for elk tags. It isn't broken up into elk combo or big game combo numbers. The % of elk vs big game is simply how guys put in their applications.

 

[ICU_RN]

Remember last year Montana over issued licenses to non-residents.

How many tags were over-issued?

 

[MT257]

How many tags were over-issued?

According to the document above they over issued right around 1900

 

[RamDreamer]

According to the document above they over issued right around 1900

I see there were approximately 1,900 more applicants than the 17,000 combos allowed by legislation, but I do not see the issue of over serving. Maybe my coffee levels are low so I could be mistaken.

 

[MT257]

I see there were approximately 1,900 more applicants than the 17,000 combos allowed by legislation, but I do not see the issue of over serving. Maybe my coffee levels are low so I could be mistaken.

Myabe I misread the table, but I could have sworn it was stated that they over issued last year after the system crashed during the draw?

 

[jmez]

Their system crashes every year during the draw.

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[Wapiti1]

They over issued by 205 elk tags. There is a small under/over every year due to how party apps are handled from what I have been told.

The statistics are for first run. They do not consider turn back tags. I don't know how many, but many elk only get turned back because the hunter didn't draw their LE permit. I don't think many Elk/Deer combos get turned back.

Jeremy

 

[Jdhunttrapfish]

So Feb 19 is the first day you can start applying for the combo tags?