MT application question

Erict

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Below is the law that goes in to effect soon for B-10 (elk) and B-11 (deer) licenses. It should answer some questions raised.


87-2-115. (Effective March 1, 2022) Nonresident elk and deer license preference point system. (1) The department shall establish a preference point system to distribute Class B-10 nonresident big game combination licenses and Class B-11 nonresident deer combination licenses.

(2) Nonresidents applying to purchase a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license may purchase a preference point, upon payment of a nonrefundable $100 fee, that gives an applicant who has more preference points priority to receive a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license over an applicant who has purchased fewer preference points.

(3) An applicant may:

(a) purchase only one preference point per license year except a nonresident hunting with an outfitter licensed pursuant to Title 37, chapter 47, part 3, and providing the documentation required in subsection (8), may purchase two preference points per license year. No applicant may accumulate more than three preference points total.

(b) purchase a preference point without applying for a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license. An applicant not applying for a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license may purchase a preference point only between July 1 and December 31 of that license year.

(4) (a) The department shall delete an applicant's accumulated preference points if the applicant:

(i) obtains a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license; or

(ii) does not apply for a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license in consecutive years.

(b) If an applicant is unsuccessful in drawing a Class B-10 or Class B-11 license, the department shall allow the applicant to keep and apply preference points to subsequent drawings if done in consecutive years.

(5) The department shall issue 75% of the Class B-10 and Class B-11 licenses made available for purchase pursuant to 87-2-505 and 87-2-510 by drawings in which the licenses are awarded to applicants in the order of which applicants have purchased the greatest number of preference points. If the number of licenses to be issued under this subsection exceeds the number of applicants who have purchased preference points, the remaining licenses must be added to the licenses issued pursuant to subsection (6).

(6) The department shall issue 25% of the Class B-10 and Class B-11 licenses made available for purchase pursuant to 87-2-505 and 87-2-510 by drawings in which the licenses are awarded to applicants who have not purchased any preference points. If the number of licenses to be issued under this subsection exceeds the number of applicants who have not purchased preference points, the remaining licenses must be added to the licenses issued pursuant to subsection (5).

(7) Up to five applicants may apply as a party under this section. The department shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine their priority in receiving licenses issued pursuant to subsection (5). The department shall calculate the average rounded to the third decimal place.

(8) A nonresident purchasing a second preference point pursuant to subsection (3)(a) shall provide written affirmation at the time of application indicating the name and license number of the outfitter with whom the person intends to hunt. If the nonresident obtains the license applied for with the preference points purchased pursuant to subsection (3)(a), the nonresident may only use the license when accompanied by an outfitter or the outfitter's designee licensed to provide guiding services.

(9) (a) Fees collected from a nonresident purchasing a second preference point pursuant to subsection (3)(a) must be allocated as follows:

(i) 25% to public access land agreements established pursuant to 87-1-295;

(ii) 25% to hunting access programs established pursuant to 87-1-265;

(iii) 25% to the future fisheries program established in 87-1-272 with a priority given to funding projects that provide public access through private property; and

(iv) 25% to the purchase of permanent easements through private property to access otherwise inaccessible lands. An easement funded by this subsection (9)(a)(iv) may be granted only across private land to public land that is leased by the landowner, public land for which there is no leaseholder, or public land for which the landowner has consent of the leaseholder.

(b) The department may expend up to 10% of the revenue allocated pursuant to subsection (9)(a) to pay administrative costs incurred by the department for the purposes outlined in subsection (9)(a), including but not limited to contracting and transaction costs incurred by the department or entities partnering with the department, and for providing support to the private land/public wildlife advisory committee for its review of public access land agreements pursuant to 87-1-295.

(c) At the end of each fiscal year, funds allocated pursuant to subsection (9)(a) that remain unobligated are available to the department for any purpose pursuant to 87-1-201(3).
 

mtwarden

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I'd be curious how many folks will have three points (the maximum allowed) when applying this year?

Enough that they have to draw among the 3 point folks only and still folks not drawn out of that pool with three points?

Is having one or two points mean you're not even in the running this year (22)?

Looks like a can that contains a lot of worms.
 

fatlander

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I'd be curious how many folks will have three points (the maximum allowed) when applying this year?

Enough that they have to draw among the 3 point folks only and still folks not drawn out of that pool with three points?

Is having one or two points mean you're not even in the running this year (22)?

Looks like a can that contains a lot of worms.

Yep.

Point. Systems. Don’t. Work.


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Erict

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I'd be curious how many folks will have three points (the maximum allowed) when applying this year?

Enough that they have to draw among the 3 point folks only and still folks not drawn out of that pool with three points?

Is having one or two points mean you're not even in the running this year (22)?

Last year (2021), Montana HB 637 included "a one time allowance" of about 3,000 NR tags. As I understand it, this was in addition to the normal NR allotment. They were issued to NR who had a 2021 contract with an outfitter/guide. Because they drew a license, their PP were "zeroed out". As a result, all 3000 of those who return in 2022 and hunt with a guide will have either 2 or 0 points going in to the draw. If they return without a guide they can have 1 or 0 points going in to the draw.

I think it will be 100% draw with 3 PREFERENCE POINTS, reduced but almost equal chance with 2 or 0, and no chance with 1. Those who never considered it will want to have a back up plan.
 
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Deucebump

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Last year (2021), Montana HB 637 included "a one time allowance" of about 3,000 NR tags. As I understand it, this was in addition to the normal NR allotment. They were issued to NR who had a 2021 contract with an outfitter/guide. Because they drew a license, their PP were "zeroed out". As a result, all 3000 of those who return in 2022 and hunt with a guide will have either 2 or 0 points going in to the draw. If they return without a guide they can have 1 or 0 points going in to the draw.

I think it will be 100% draw with 3 PREFERENCE POINTS, reduced but almost equal chance with 2 or 0, and no chance with 1. Those who never considered it will want to have a back up plan.
This seems to be the logical outcome, even though its still unpredictable. Thanks. (And this basically answers my question in a separate related thread.)
 
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