Netflix's "Our Planet"

[16Bore]

And ‘optimized cow grains.’
Yes, that’s a quote.

Exactly. Maybe some “Beano” for cows. Or Mylanta.

or put a pipe in their butts, capture the toot, then use it to run the tractors.

Yours truly,

Bernie Sanders.

 

[fnf01]

who said humans are inherently evil? This isn't about good and evil this is about not trashing the planet to make a $. You entered the conversation in bad faith, you've been given the numbers but continue to move goal posts and hide behind your back patting and ego boosting saying your denial is in fact the real scientific method lol. I wasn't acting in bad faith I've looked at your stats and your numbers (volcanos included) and the conclusions come out like 97% of published science agree.


As for rich paying 80% of all income tax that good I wasn't calling out the individual rich but ok. Also large corps and the wealthy often play both sides donating to liberal and conservative, its a cheap investment vs the cost of actually paying taxes, look no further then the white house

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-very-deep-trouble/?utm_term=.1c5809de06b1

but individual income tax is not the singular issue or where most of the money should be coming from. When corporations are given individual rights (citizens united) but year after year after year pay lawyers just as you say to be be compliant with current tax code and have $0 tax bills but billion dollar profits the tax codes need to be rewritten so they pay their share. Amazon shouldn't be paying zero in taxes, big oil shouldn't have $0 tax bills and be getting millions in Government subsidies while solar and wind get labeled as socialism. (nuclear shouldn't be demonized either).


Oil companies have known about climate change for decades and used millions of $ to push misinformation all in the name of profit.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

The cognitive dissonance is real here, I'll be bowing out the echo chamber.

But one last thought, when 8 people control the same wealth as the bottom 50% of the worlds population who holds more responsibility and power to create change? The one who "owns" the systems or the one barely able to afford a meal? Individual action is great it allows people an immediate sense of accomplishment but we need collective change but that stands to hurt(not really) pocket books. Its like understanding the majority of the US wants socialized medicine instead of how we currently pay the most for health care while receiving the least amount of actual care but the health care INDUSTRY uses lobbying to stay the course, there's too much profit to be had. So to there is too much profit to be had to by polluting, and most conservatives (who are the majority of climate change deniers) view themselves as temporarily poor millionaires so hindering their future ability to make more money is obviously the wrong choice right.

https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-rel...ending-highest-among-developed-countries.html

 

[JWP58]

I thought 99% of scientists agreed? Now we're down to 97%? What's next? It will be "climate change" instead of "global warming"?

 

[16Bore]

The reality is that no day is promised. Live in the meantime. The ironic irony is typing your feelings about that which you cannot control is a waste of energy.

All my love,

Joe Biden

 

[JoMa]

I thought 99% of scientists agreed? Now we're down to 97%? What's next? It will be "climate change" instead of "global warming"?

I think most people would generally agree that the climate is changing. However, the cause of the change is not very well informed or agreed upon. The 97% or 99% consensus that climate change is "primarily man-caused" and will cause massive destruction is misleading.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#6b8e80bf3f9f

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-con-consensus-not-only-there-no-97-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle/

http://www.petitionproject.org/

 

[Tod osier]

I think most people would generally agree that the climate is changing. However, the cause of the change is not very well informed or agreed upon. The 97% or 99% consensus that climate change is "primarily man-caused" and will cause massive destruction is misleading.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#6b8e80bf3f9f

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-con-consensus-not-only-there-no-97-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle/

http://www.petitionproject.org/

If you look at the scientific literature, those consensus numbers in the 95% plus range are solid, especially in relation to those scientists that actually study climate. The only studies that have come up with estimates that are lower are those that included scientists that are not specialists, and, thus, less qualified to make judgement. The actual consensus numbers have been approached in a number of ways using different methods..

 

[Poser]

Can’t trust the scientists that are funded by the government, so are we to them trust the privately funded scientific research? A close friend of mine did her PhD in biology on a grant from Monsanto. Since they owned her dissertation, all of the research was withheld from publication.

Where is the middle ground?

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

No way dude, I have faith in AOC.


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[DenverCountryBoy]

Free capitalist society by its very definition will try to wring every last dollar out it can no matter the callateral damage. Unchecked capitalism doesn’t aim to solve a problem unless a dollar can be made, and only for those who can pay. The global climate is for everyone and everything not just those who can pay. You can thank unions acting against capitalist interests for the weekend, 40hour week, limits on child labor. Capitalist interests arent humanity interests all the time.

No. A free capitalist society allows one to decide how to best use one's own assets including for charitable works. The individual is responsible for their choices and reaps the rewards and consequences. The individual should be held to account for any damage they cause.

If you want to see unchecked collateral damage, look at any socialist country in human history. Or any of the feel good legislation in the U. S. that prioritizes equality of outcome over equality of opportunity.

 

[16Bore]

Wait.....dude, I got it.

Those 8 people that have all the money should pay for fixing the climate. It’s from their jets and stuff.

 

[Okhotnik]

No one ever mentions solar cycles which are the only proven event that has drastically contributed to earths warming and cooling cycles( other than volcanoes and meteor strikes) the past 100’s of millions of years.



Can’t tax sunshine like the carbon credit scams though

Project, deflect, strawman. Repeat.

Is the climate changing? We are in a warming trend. Is that abnormal? Is it part of the normal cyclical climate of the planet? Is is different than previous warming trends? If so have all warming and cooling trends been identical until now? What caused them to be different before we ruined the earth? What intervention prevented them? What if we throttle back the human activity and rapidly reenter a cooling interglacial period? Then we are all going to freeze to death and be covered in ice.

Also loving the in one breath claiming 99.9% of science agrees and then in the same breath claiming so what if they are wrong is this a bad thing. Glass houses.

Again, could you point me to those that are claiming we should treat the environment with a "scorched earth" type policy? So far, you've been the only one pigeon holing anyone that doesn't ascribe to Global Warming, Climate Change ideology into that group.

 

[16Bore]

People use too much sun, it’s a waste.

Hugs and kisses,

A.O.C

 

[@fulldraw]

Man I really kicked a hornets nest here, huh?

Well for those “animal lovers” out there, Netflix posted the scenes to skip over and avoid watching as they may be too graphic for your sensitive eyes: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a27114168/netflix-our-planet-warns-viewers-skip-scenes-walrus-footage/

smh

 

[AndyB]

Probably not the main vain of this thread, so ignore if inappropriate.
People will argue over climate change and its causes...…as that's what people do when there is money involved, (climate taxes etc) but climate change has always been here from day one, and is the main driving force of evolution, got to love climate change. One day this planet will spit us off and replace us with something else, as it has done, and will do with every other species that has ever existed. Fact.

 

[sasquatch]

Probably not the main vain of this thread, so ignore if inappropriate.
People will argue over climate change and its causes...…as that's what people do when there is money involved, (climate taxes etc) but climate change has always been here from day one, and is the main driving force of evolution, got to love climate change. One day this planet will spit us off and replace us with something else, as it has done, and will do with every other species that has ever existed. Fact.

I agree 100%. Also yes it does cause evolution and things will evolve around issues. The only issue/question
is will the changes be too fast for evolution to keep up with?

 

[AndyB]

I agree 100%. Also yes it does cause evolution and things will evolve around issues. The only issue/question
is will the changes be too fast for evolution to keep up with?

The adaptable will adapt, dead enders like the Pando. not so. But obviously that's just me musing.

They keep talking about fast climate change, fast to me was when the asteroid slammed into the Yukatan peninsula at 40,000 mph, now that heated things up quick! … and look at the burst of new life and species after that. One species' loss is another ones gain.

Major eruptions also change climates fast by normal standards, which we are about 100,000 years overdue, but things also settle down again after a bit of jigging about species wise.

If you look back at the other 5 or so mass extinction events there seems to be a 'boom and bust' pattern with some of the events lasting up to 20 million years, what gets written in the rocks will be the judge of the Halocene extinction that we are going through now.

I think for us to assume we can somehow have major effect on this planets cycles attaches too much self importance to 'us'. , but we have definitely I would say been responsible for probably one of the fastest extinction rates of species , since 1900 it is claimed to be 1000 times faster than previous events.

 

[cmahoney]

She is hella smart and stuff.


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[DBuck]

Those walruses rolling off the cliff was pretty gnarly, they talk about how the polar bears are running out of food, looked like a buffet to me.

 

[Elk97]

So those 95%+ scientists that are all in agreement that man is responsible for the climate changing, would they be the same scientists that came up with all the computer models that have predicted one catastrophe after another for the last 25 years? You know, the ones that have ALL been wrong.
Just wondering...

 

[2soups]

Found it interesting to watch