Question for the supressor guys on using an adapter

[Luked]

Big goal of mine is this year is to get a couple of supressors.
Right now the only rifles I have that are threaded are the AR platforms I have.
None of my bolt guns are threaded.
I have a couple older Savages I hunt with a lot and thinking I am just going to do a Barrel swap on them since I should be able to do that myself and it would be a benefit for those rifles I think to have a better barrel.
But I also have a 300WSM in a Win Model 70 and a 243 in a Rem 700. that I shoot quite a bit also. And i know barrel swaps on them are not that easy and I don't have the ability or tools to do a swap myself.

I have talked to a local smith and he can thread them but a lot will depend on the dia of the barrel at the muzzle how he can do it.
He has said he likes to see .680 at the muzzle to do a 5/8x24. But if it is smaller than .680 he can thread to 1/2x28 and use an adapter, but he also does not care to use the adapters if he doesn't have to just due to liability reasons.

My question to you all is what is your thoughts on using an adapter. I understand that it would be a possible point to get loose. But with that being the only option if I went that way would it be smart to put red locktite on the adapter since I see no reason for it to ever come off if I am going to run the supressor when using it?

This is new territory for me and really don't know a ton about it and don't have a lot of guys around me running supressors yet.

 

[TheViking]

Adapters are fine - they won't get loose. If anything, they get stuck on there because of the blast and fine gun powder getting in the threads.

 

[Matt5266]

I use them too. No issues. I just check them periodically to make sure they are tight. Just get them from a reputable company and not Temu

 

[ColPenguin]

Use rocksett instead of loctite for anything that you want to stay on your muzzle like a thread pitch adapter or a mount. Loctite deteriorates with heat and rocksett breaks down with water.

A couple drops of rocksett will keep it on there. When you want to take it off, wrap the muzzle with a wet washcloth or paper towel for a minute. Then wrench the adapter off. Then wipe your barrel off and apply a light coat of rust protectant/gun oil.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

All my rifles have adapters, my 30 cal can isn't direct thread. I have 1/2 ×28 and 5/8 x 28 adapters...so it doesn't matter which one I have go with due to barrel dia it will work. I also prefer adapters of direct thread most cans...never have to worry about messing up the threads on the rifle.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

My question to you all is what is your thoughts on using an adapter. I understand that it would be a possible point to get loose. But with that being the only option if I went that way would it be smart to put red locktite on the adapter since I see no reason for it to ever come off if I am going to run the supressor when using it?

This is new territory for me and really don't know a ton about it and don't have a lot of guys around me running supressors yet.

I know they're fine, but I just don't like them if for nothing else they add length. If you do an adapter I think you want Rocksett for it, not hte red Loctite, something about the heat...

Option 1) Get one suppressor with a 5/8 DT hub and get a second suppressor with 1/2" DT hub and you're covered for all your rifles.
Option 2) Do the Area 419 Hellfire system with a single suppressor.

 

[Marbles]

I have used adapters on 3 different barrels without issues. Rockset them in place properly (I recommend heating the adapter and barrel and not just air curing the Rockset).

Adapters like the Precision Armament are low profile.

Personally, I would have him just thread, and buy the adapters and Rokset myself.

 

[Marbles]

Use rocksett instead of loctite for anything that you want to stay on your muzzle like a thread pitch adapter or a mount. Loctite deteriorates with heat and rocksett breaks down with water.

A couple drops of rocksett will keep it on there. When you want to take it off, wrap the muzzle with a washcloth or paper towel for a minute. Then wrench the adapter off. Then wipe your barrel off and apply a light coat of rust protectant/gun oil.

A minute? Rockset bottle says submerge for 24 hours. Boiling my muzzle for 10 minutes let me break an adapter off with a wrench, at 5 minutes it was not coming loose.

I can imagine how silly I looked in the kitchen holding the muzzle in a pan.

This is important, because if a little moisture would let it break, then rain would result in loose adapters (it doesn't).

 

[wind gypsy]

I'd prefer to not use an adapter but if that's what is needed based on barrel diameter it's not a big deal.

 

[Luked]

Perfect, glad to hear that there shouldn't be any issue with the adapters and using the Rokset
@ScreamingPotato what is the Area 419 Hellfire system you are reffering to?

Again a lot of this is still new to me.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Perfect, glad to hear that there shouldn't be any issue with the adapters and using the Rokset
@ScreamingPotato what is the Area 419 Hellfire system you are reffering to?

Again a lot of this is still new to me.

Assuming you have a "standard hub" compatible suppressor you can get a hub that installs into your suppressor from Area 419, then each rifle gets a universal adapter. It's a pretty slick system and they have universal adapters in darn near every thread pitch known to man. If you get the titanium it's pretty light as well. If I had only 1 suppressor I'd do that for sure, but I still like getting a suppressor for each thread pattern you have and just using DT.
edit: They actually have all sorts of suppressor mounts with whatever hub pattern you need, so the "standard hub" whatever that is is not required, not that it changes anything but fwiw.

Hellfire Suppressor Mounts

Our mount allows you to use your SilencerCo Omega or other compatible suppressor with the Hellfire system. Go from brake to suppressor, no tools required!

www.area419.com

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Assuming you have a "standard hub" compatible suppressor you can get a hub that installs into your suppressor from Area 419, then each rifle gets a universal adapter. It's a pretty slick system and they have universal adapters in darn near every thread pitch known to man. If you get the titanium it's pretty light as well. If I had only 1 suppressor I'd do that for sure, but I still like getting a suppressor for each thread pattern you have and just using DT.

Hellfire Suppressor Mounts

Our mount allows you to use your SilencerCo Omega or other compatible suppressor with the Hellfire system. Go from brake to suppressor, no tools required!

www.area419.com

Rugged supressors have a similar system it's just proprietary to Rugged...works great I got one can and 2 4packs of adapters.

 

[ColPenguin]

A minute? Rockset bottle says submerge for 24 hours. Boiling my muzzle for 10 minutes let me break an adapter off with a wrench, at 5 minutes it was not coming loose.

It probably takes a few minutes. If it takes you 24 hours to soften the glue and break it off then you're using way too much.

If you're out in the rain and the glue softens, you're not applying a wrench to undo the 30 ft-lbs. of torque applied to your muzzle device.

It should not just be rocksett holding your muzzle device on, finger tight, in the rain. Torque the muzzle device on, a dab of rocksett will do it. Its a dab of glue to keep things from walking off. When softened with water, it can be broken free with a little bit of effort. The more rocksett used, the harder it will be to break the bond.

 

[Luked]

I assume that this is the Roksett that you are talking about.

Amazon.com

 

[HairyScandinavian]

I assume that this is the Roksett that you are talking about.

Amazon.com

Looks like the right stuff.

 

[nm.otter]

Also available in tiny packets. Perhaps @Unknown Suppressors might consider stocking those?

 

[hereinaz]

I hand tight everything and check it as part of my rifle handling process when I pick it up and set it down. A quick snap to tighten and loosen keeps my cans on well for shooting purposes. But, checking is necessary. Many times after a day of shooting it’s harder to get it off and requires a wrench.

I have also applied red loctite and wrenched adapters on. My hunting rifles have never ruined the loctite. I broke loose the barrels on more than one occasion wrenching off brakes and such.

Right now, I have some red loctite residue on a muzzle and it just adds security.

Mostly, I just use the Hub system and swap between 1/2 and 5/8 adapters when needed. Only my direct thread Ultra 7 requires use of an adapter. Since I bought a 6mm can, I rarely need the adapter now.

 

[Marbles]

It probably takes a few minutes. If it takes you 24 hours to soften the glue and break it off then you're using way too much.

If you're out in the rain and the glue softens, you're not applying a wrench to undo the 30 ft-lbs. of torque applied to your muzzle device.

It should not just be rocksett holding your muzzle device on, finger tight, in the rain. Torque the muzzle device on, a dab of rocksett will do it. Its a dab of glue to keep things from walking off. When softened with water, it can be broken free with a little bit of effort. The more rocksett used, the harder it will be to break the bond.

To each their own. But I say torque it hard and use a good bit of Rockset. I'm looking for close to permanent, as in I can unscrew the 100 ft.lbs torqued on barrel wrenching on the adapter.

If so little Rockset is used that a minute of a wet rag will break it free, then I might as well not use it as my rifles spend a lot of time being wet. Red loctite would be better on a hunting rifle that that, or just hard torque.

 

[ropeup79]

Just my $.02, but threading to 5/8x24 and adding a shouldered collar is a better option. Less chance of tolerance stacking and more meat at the muzzle.

 

[ColPenguin]

If so little Rockset is used that a minute of a wet rag will break it free, then I might as well not use it as my rifles spend a lot of time being wet.

Perhaps I chose my words too casually and flippant. I'm not worried about my brake mount falling/walking off in the rain.