Rate my Mid-Nov Frank Church Clothing System

Alegault

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Hey All - doing a Mid Nov hunt in the Frank Church. It will be my first time out there. Seems like weather averages 10 low-30 high with possibility of being colder. Activity levels will vary as some will be on horseback before sunrise (I'm guessing cold), some glassing (cold), and some hiking up tough country (Probably overheating).

Just looking for some sanity checking of my clothing system and excuses to buy new gear. Current system thoughts:
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    • FL Kiln QZ
    • FL Furnace or Kuiu Strongfleece 260
    • FL Solitude vest or Kuiu Kenai Vest
    • SG Grumman Puffy or FL Chamberlain (have both, can't decide)
    • Kryptek Koldo (sized up one to fit over puffy if needed, hopefully quiet enough)
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    • Merino lightweight boxers
    • Kuiu zipoff Peleton
    • Kuiu Attacks
    • SG Grumman Puffy Pants
    • Kuiu Northridge Rain Shell Pants
  • Boots/Feet
    • Kene Mountain Extreme 400g
    • Liner sock
    • midweight merino sock (darn toughs)
The guide sent a gear list emphasizing quiet gear and mentioned wool and fleece a bunch of times. He pointed me to woolrich but their website looks like a nordstrom ad rather than somewhere I'd buy mountain clothes. Not sure what pieces folks get from there. This is a rifle hunt so not sure how loud my stuff could be.

Could use the most input where I have the "or"'s above and just generally if folks think I will be warm enough and have the right layer options to deal with varying activity level. Guessing during glassing I might just throw everything on, but not sure if that will fly for the horseride part.

Any tips appreciated -Thanks All!
 
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doverpack12

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Looks pretty good. I’d bring both puffy jackets and the vest you prefer plus everything else listed.
I don’t use the furnace or strong fleece so can’t offer anything there.
Attacks are not that warm in late season conditions when not moving or if it’s windy.
Frank Church can be downright nasty in September on rifle hunts so I imagine mid November will be real late season conditions and you will want it all.

Just curious, which outfitter
 
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Alegault

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Thanks for the response. Yea I am trying to plan for nasty cold, but also calibrating what clothing will actually help against that.

You think worth going with a thicker pant like the guides (or heavier) or better to increase weight of the base layer bottoms? Basically balance not being able to shed layers or vent during the hard hike portions with not freezing when stationary.

Going with middle fork outfitters.
 

doverpack12

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I would step up the pant for better DWR and wind resistance. Base layers don’t do a lot against those two.

I really like the guide and wear mine most of November in SW MT. If you have them then take them instead. Guide pants do pretty well against the wind and much better than the jacket.

If you don’t have the guide consider the axis, they are better in the wind and offer better water resistance but the pant itself is slightly thinner. Guides have bigger vents especially when combined with hand pocket zippers and fly.

SG DeHavilland is another option that is an In between pant from attack to guide. Better in the wind and against moisture than the attack, thicker and warmer but also massive vents.
 

tjmitchell

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Your boot choice is spot on but I think I would take another pair of warmer boots also like the Schnee Extreme,that’s a fantastic boot that will keep you warm and dry.
 
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I have the de havilland lite and like them, especially that full zip for venting, though can be a touch loud sometimes. Do you find the regular ones to be quieter? My guess is, it’s not loud enough to matter at distances we’re talking for rifle.

On boots the outfitter mentioned he often goes with pac boots.Wasn’t sure the trade off on warmth vs hike-ability.

Really appreciate all the input guys.
 

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I have the de havilland lite and like them, especially that full zip for venting, though can be a touch loud sometimes. Do you find the regular ones to be quieter? My guess is, it’s not loud enough to matter at distances we’re talking for rifle.

On boots the outfitter mentioned he often goes with pac boots.Wasn’t sure the trade off on warmth vs hike-ability.

Really appreciate all the input guys.
Pac boots in the Frank? Holy smokes. Ron never gets off his horse then. No way I'd take pac boots on a hunt in the Frank. No way. My ankles hurt just thinking about it.

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jdmaxwell

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Mid October Frank last yr.. weather ranged from 20 degree nights to 60 degree days. Couple inches snow up top.
Hiking every day, no horses i wore uninsulated boots and thin Wrangler cargo pants every day. Layered up when on top glossing with puffys.
My extra warm boots and Kuiu Guide pants sat at airstrip whole time.
But that's me and my experience.
 

MtnMuley

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I'll second the Talus Hybrid for a mid November hunt there. I'd also have a set of gaiters with me. Last thing I'd do different would take midweight merino bottoms instead of the Peloton. Zip-off's if you prefer that style, but not too sure I'd take them on a mid Nov hunt there.

Other than that, you're list looks very good.
 

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As pointed out above, mid-November could mean a couple of different things- without a crystal ball you don't know which mid-November you'll be getting until a week or two out (even then subject to change)

If the outfitter reports a lot of snow, I'd definitely consider pac boots- with an extra set of liners. The "new" pacs aren't the old Sorels, you can hike in them and hike a lot. If there isn't a lot of snow, I'd go with something to what you have listed; lots of snow- I'd seriously consider pacs.
 
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