Say you find yourself in a SHTF situation like a riot

[Gearqueer]

Bruce's question has great merit. And now, ahead of time, is when to ask it. I think it's safe to say we all learned something from the "Rooftop Koreans", yes?

Back in '92 I had to drive my then M.I.L. back to just damn 2 blocks away from where they pulled Reginald Denney out of that truck and damn near beat him to death. This was later that same day. The RTD buses to downtown where she worked as a seamstress (if I recall she didn't have "real" papers yet) the buses cutoff service. Obviously they were not going to send their vehicles thru there. So... over in WestLA, she shows up on our doorstep. "Oh, Ok." So now we gotta drive her back home to what was Berendo Ave. off Rosecrans,just before Figueroa, by all those Card Casinos right there. Know the area well enough, lived with them there for almost a year after first marrying their daughter as a young man.

Anyhoo... without getting into all the details of all the surreal OMG!!! things I saw that day... one thing for sure, was that all the damn crips... both wannabes and sometimes real OG lookin' loc'd out mofos... were on the corners throwin' up sets where the residential streets met with Rosecrans. Let's just say I was feelin' damn glad I was in a car with that nice, dark-brown skinned mother of theirs.

Point being... don't do it... don't sit there and talk your mess to somebody just wanting to be ready for that. If you haven't seen it up close and personal? You just don't know how nerve-racking and tense things get in an area like that.

I’m saying/ asking this respectfully, but I also want to be real. I am not aware of a situation where a U.S. citizen needed to dump more than two rifle magazines into a crowd of people to save their life? If there is an incident where this took place I genuinely would like to learn about it.

I love guns and cool gear maybe more than anyone here. I own a decent amount of well-used hardware of differing types. I happen to have a lot of Mil and LE training and experience. When I hear a citizen or even a cop (who is responsible for running towards gunfire) thinking they need more than one spare rifle mag on their person I get nervous about their mindset. For both their own good, and the good of our country.


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[Dustin the wind]

I’m saying/ asking this respectfully, but I also want to be real. I am not aware of a situation where a U.S. citizen needed to dump more than two rifle magazines into a crowd of people to save their life? If there is an incident where this took place I genuinely would like to learn about it.

I love guns and cool gear maybe more than anyone here. I own a decent amount of well-used hardware of differing types. I happen to have a lot of Mil and LE training and experience. When I hear a citizen or even a cop (who is responsible for running towards gunfire) thinking they need more than one spare rifle mag on their person I get nervous about their mindset. For both their own good, and the good of our country.


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I would also like to rebut respectfully. You are correct, never heard of a situation like that myself. I have also never experienced such wide spread communist/socialist dissent in this country. I have never before experienced a first hand look at the fragility of our current system. I have never seen such a movement to eradicate our justice system. Never seen such a level of mind control the media has over half of the country. Never seen such a large percentage of people not able to produce their own food and water. I have never seen such a mountainously high level of debt. Have we ever seen so many technocrats have such sway over hundreds of millions of people? Have you ever seen such a large number of said media controlled people with such a large disparity in their knowledge of history? Remember a time when so many idiots were connected instantaneously around the world on a device the size of a cigarette pack that a chimpanzee can use?

It used to be one thing that threatened our sovereignty, nuclear, other countries starting wars, depressions. A unified America went through those issues, now we have millions living here that genuinely despise the fabric of America, most don’t understand what America is.

All i’m getting at is these aren’t the times we remember as kids. These are uncharted waters and for an average law abiding citizen to look at these issues and do whatever they can to prepare for the unknown, does not seem too unreasonable to me.

 

[Broomd]

Yeah this thread is ridiculous...so much fear these days. Left, right, or somewhere in the middle, everyone is scared shitless. Just live your life and stop worrying about the 0.00000000000000000000003% chance that you or your family are going to be mobbed by protestors.

Well, some of this thread is an obvious stretch, but if you think those protestor odds are realistic, yer nuts. Many, many Americans heave dealt with ANTIFA and BLM lunatics over the past month.

When the shtf, the peaceful ones are always (predictably) legal gun onwers.

 

[TheGDog]

Just like those two on the news... I don't think anybody here who "owns" their mortgage-payment is gonna sit there and let a bunch of opportunistic hominids (and I use that term loosely here) come around and set them back decades of blood sweat and tears. It's mindset I guess, but naw, Jack. You ain't just walkin' up and jackin' my sh**.

How you gon' live with yourself afterward when you come back to find all your property ransacked, taken and in shambles? People like to pop-off with "It's just things... it can be replaced!" But that's just it though... it's not "just things"... because each and every one of those "things" is a number of hours of your life!... turned into earnings. So when someone takes an object from you, they ARE literally taking away a part of your life!

Also... check all your various insurance policies. "Acts of Nature" and "Civil Unrest" are almost always expressly excluded in your coverage.

 

[Dustin the wind]

Just like those two on the news... I don't think anybody here who "owns" their mortgage-payment is gonna sit there and let a bunch of opportunistic hominids (and I use that term loosely here) come around and set them back decades of blood sweat and tears. It's mindset I guess, but naw, Jack. You ain't just walkin' up and jackin' my sh**.

How you gon' live with yourself afterward when you come back to find all your property ransacked, taken and in shambles? People like to pop-off with "It's just things... it can be replaced!" But that's just it though... it's not "just things"... because each and every one of those "things" is a number of hours of your life!... turned into earnings. So when someone takes an object from you, they ARE literally taking away a part of your life!

Also... check all your various insurance policies. "Acts of Nature" and "Civil Unrest" are almost always expressly excluded in your coverage.

I imagine an insurance co seeing a video of you and your wife allowing the damage to happen might not bode to well for your claim.

 

[realunlucky]

I imagine an insurance co seeing a video of you and your wife allowing the damage to happen might not bode to well for your claim.

Contrary to what you seem to believe you can't just stack people up on your lawn even if they start to destroy your stuff.

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[Lawnboi]

Just like those two on the news... I don't think anybody here who "owns" their mortgage-payment is gonna sit there and let a bunch of opportunistic hominids (and I use that term loosely here) come around and set them back decades of blood sweat and tears. It's mindset I guess, but naw, Jack. You ain't just walkin' up and jackin' my sh**.

How you gon' live with yourself afterward when you come back to find all your property ransacked, taken and in shambles? People like to pop-off with "It's just things... it can be replaced!" But that's just it though... it's not "just things"... because each and every one of those "things" is a number of hours of your life!... turned into earnings. So when someone takes an object from you, they ARE literally taking away a part of your life!

Also... check all your various insurance policies. "Acts of Nature" and "Civil Unrest" are almost always expressly excluded in your coverage.

I don’t think anyone wants their possessions ransacked. But if I had to pick keep my stuff or go to jail, I’m not keeping my stuff. Shooting someone when you don’t feel you life is in danger is just opening yourself up. Maybe your state has different rules, don’t know. The jury might not care about your stuff nearly as much as you do. That’s a chance I’m not willing to take personally.

I think there’s a more tactful way to defend your stuff and your family than what we see in those pictures. It’s definetly not on the front lawn pointing a loaded weapon at a crowd with your finger on the trigger.

I’m enjoying the read from people with more tactical training. Bruce, when someone finally finds you, we just don’t want it to be on the investigation discovery channel in a few years.

 

[Dustin the wind]

Contrary to what you seem to believe you can't just stack people up on your lawn even if they start to destroy your stuff.

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Please tell me when I said it’s just fine to shoot rioters on your property? I’ll wait. I say be prepared for the worst and don’t be a victim.

I would rather survive with a murder charge, even with a BLM district attorney on my ass than seeing my families life's work and possibly my whole family destroyed. I know you yourself are very trustworthy of socialist blm rioters to spare you and listen to your concessions graciously. I haven’t quite reduced myself to that yet.

 

[TheGDog]

I don’t think anyone wants their possessions ransacked. But if I had to pick keep my stuff or go to jail, I’m not keeping my stuff. Shooting someone when you don’t feel you life is in danger is just opening yourself up. Maybe your state has different rules, don’t know. The jury might not care about your stuff nearly as much as you do. That’s a chance I’m not willing to take personally.

I think there’s a more tactful way to defend your stuff and your family than what we see in those pictures. It’s definetly not on the front lawn pointing a loaded weapon at a crowd with your finger on the trigger.

I’m enjoying the read from people with more tactical training. Bruce, when someone find ally finds you, we just don’t want it to be on the investigation discovery channel in a few years.

Definitely not sweeping people and definitely NOT with your "Booger-hook on the Bang-Switch" That wife made me wince, real bad.

EDIT: Did you notice the member of the crowd with a paintball rifle, pointed right back at them?

But...If they are trying to loot... trust me... eventually some fool is gonna present you with the legal opportunity to lawfully take their life in defense of your own. For if you are interjecting yourself in the way of these hominids with 1-track minds... they are still going to try to do what they are going to try to do. But... now that you've gotten between them and the objects of their desire, them advancing towards you... after you've now issued clear warning that you will defend yourself... then presents you with what a reasonable person would consider an immediate threat of great bodily harm and injury, should they then, ignoring your warning, and you know some of them will, continue to advance upon you. "POP! POP!"

 

[Dustin the wind]

Realunlucky, I fear if we all follow your line of bending over we will be here after not too long

Save South Africa's White Farmers, Activists Plead

The South African parliament is accused of tacitly supporting attacks on white farmers after it passed a motion which could see farmland redistributed without compensation.

www.newsweek.com

 

[*zap*]

The thing is:

That when you opt to not defend your home from invaders you do not know what their actual intentions are and after 30 of them are inside with you and your family and you realize they intend to kill/rape it is a little late to repel boarders....we all know that the reality today is the cops may not be coming but that may depend on the geographical location you are at.

 

[realunlucky]

Please tell me when I said it’s just fine to shoot rioters on your property? I’ll wait. I say be prepared for the worst and don’t be a victim.

I would rather survive with a murder charge, even with a BLM district attorney on my ass than seeing my families life's work and possibly my whole family destroyed. I know you yourself are very trustworthy of socialist blm rioters to spare you and listen to your concessions graciously. I haven’t quite reduced myself to that yet.

Killing people has long lasting consequences.
Someone burning your truck to the ground and you shooting them isn't the same degree of offense and the fact you don't know the difference is truly frightening.

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[Dustin the wind]

Killing people has long lasting consequences.
Someone burning your truck to the ground and you shooting them isn't the same degree of offense and the fact you don't know the difference is truly frightening.

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I implore you to read post #111

 

[realunlucky]

The thing is:

That when you opt to not defend your home from invaders you do not know what their actual intentions are and after 30 of them are inside with you and your family and you realize they intend to kill/rape it is a little late to repel boarders....we all know that the reality today is the cops may not be coming but that may depend on the geographical location you are at.

Shooting people on the lawn destroying your "stuff" and people entering your domain with the intent to do harm aren't the same. Luckily the law was written to define the legal use lethal force.

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[Lawnboi]

Exhibit A: posts on a rokslide forum stating you would rather have a murder charge than having you life work destroyed.

I’m not taking the other side on this, don’t misunderstand that. But there are laws. And if the hammer drops there’s a good chance your going to be judged by a jury of your peers. Want to leave the rest of your life in the hands of a jury. Better be able to prove you or your families lives were in immediate danger. And this is all after the news already hangs you. Every 20 some year old girl in a liberal school already raised the mobs lawyer fees.

 

[Dustin the wind]

Shooting people on the lawn destroying your "stuff" and people entering your domain with the intent to do harm aren't the same. Luckily the law was written to define the legal use lethal force.

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I’m envisioning your home invasion senerio, at what point do you listen to your deathly scared wife and children's fearful screams long enought before you take action? When they are banging the door down? When they have your family?

 

[TheGDog]

I recently saw a writeup which had laid out in a table format the number of police officers per 100,000 citizens. And it listed a ton of cities all throughout California. The majority of them were 20-25. With big tech-bubble cities like Irvine having the highest at 60.

60 to 100,000. Let that sink in. Really sink in.

 

[*zap*]

I was under the impression that we are not actually talking about people destroying your lawn furniture....yes, there are definite distinctions to be made but none of us is clairvoyant and know what will be going on 5 minutes from now.....we can do a best guess based on past history.

You may have 30 seconds to decide on a course of action....those decisions are limited by your capability and that capability is what the op asked about.

 

[Lawnboi]

I was under the impression that we are not actually talking about people destroying your lawn furniture....yes, there are definite distinctions to be made but none of us is clairvoyant and know what will be going on 5 minutes from now.....we can do a best guess based on past history.

You may have 30 seconds to decide on a course of action....those decisions are limited by your capability and that capability is what the op asked about.

And those 30 seconds may very well shape the rest of your life. Choose wisely.

 

[Dustin the wind]

I don’t take chances with the most important things in my life, who gives a crap about a truck.