Scope advice on 300 Win Mag

Noise Maker

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Getting a Seekins Element in 300 Win Mag for back country elk hunting. Looking for a higher end scope to mount on it. I like the Swaros and Zeiss but wanted to get some feedback. Budget is up to $4,000. Hit me with your feedback and reason why.
 

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I have a swaro Z5 3.5-18. It checks all the boxes for me. I like the colour coded rings so you can set and keep track of your elevation. Makes it simple when it’s go time.
 

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What range are you comfortable shooting to (have practiced out to)? Prefer MILs or MOA? FFP or SFP? Is weight a concern?
 
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I have a swaro Z5 3.5-18. It checks all the boxes for me. I like the colour coded rings so you can set and keep track of your elevation. Makes it simple when it’s go time

What range are you comfortable shooting to (have practiced out to)? Prefer MILs or MOA? FFP or SFP? Is weight a concern?
I don't like shooting over 300 yards while hunting, I do not go over 400 yards as I personally feel it's not fair to the animal. That said, if I take it to the range it's always good to keep your skills sharp at any range. Weight is always a concern for hunting but I am not fanatical about it so an ounce or two won't kill me but when your talking 10 ounces it raises eyebrows. SFP has been my go to but not set on one or the other. MOA is what I am used to as well.
 

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Tangent Theta arguably makes the best rifle scopes on the planet. Mechanically, they are as good or better than anything out there. Optically they are as good or better than anything out there. Their turrets are the best in the business from the various scopes that I've used. Their reticle selection isn't the best but they're serviceable. Their TT315M only weighs 27.8oz (including tenebraex caps). Their TT315H model would be another options as well for purely hunting.
 

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I don't like shooting over 300 yards while hunting, I do not go over 400 yards as I personally feel it's not fair to the animal. That said, if I take it to the range it's always good to keep your skills sharp at any range. Weight is always a concern for hunting but I am not fanatical about it so an ounce or two won't kill me but when your talking 10 ounces it raises eyebrows. SFP has been my go to but not set on one or the other. MOA is what I am used to as well.

Have any preferences on magnification range? Some guys like 3-9x for everything, some need 25x+. I like the middle ground, but just curious so I can help form a suggestion.
 

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If you want something amazing look at the Tangent Theta 3-15x50mm Model TT315LRH Long Range Hunter - MOA
  • Rapid Access Elevation and Windage
  • Auto Isolation feature
  • Locking rapid adjust diopter
  • Rev indication on Elevation
  • Low profile parallax (side adjust and Illumination control)
  • No field of view occlusion in shooting position
  • Single piece tube
  • Includes Tenebraex flip covers
  • Includes battery cap tool
 

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lol tangent theta would be the best scope you can possibly buy for glass.
could also look at a...
kahles (on the heavier side)
nightforce ATACR (again a little heavier)
zero compromise ZC 420
Schmidt and bender
Leupold Mark 5HD

lots of options if your budget is 4000$
 

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lol tangent theta would be the best scope you can possibly buy for glass.
could also look at a...
kahles (on the heavier side)
nightforce ATACR (again a little heavier)
zero compromise ZC 420
Schmidt and bender
Leupold Mark 5HD

lots of options if your budget is 4000$
Good list - I've had or have every optic in your list except S&B. My brief notes on those optics:

At this level of optic, I wouldn't worry much about reliability, tracking, etc. like I would with the cheaper/budget options. You really should be focused on reticles and features. "Glass" on this level of optic will be good, and plenty of others have dorked out and given good thoughts.

The Tangent sits above the rest - everything you've heard about them is true, haha. For a hunting centric optic, the Tangent 315M/H probably makes the most sense if only for weight. Not to mention the outstanding field of view, the foregiving eyebox, and very foregiving parallax/depth of field. The stiff mag ring issue seems to have been resolved with the newer ones, the turrets standalone as the best turrets out there. It's too bad the turrets are only 6 mil/rev with a max adjustment of 12 mil, but 12 mils will get you beyond 1,000 yards with most hunting cartridges in most scenarios. The second rev numerical references and second rev indicator makes up a little bit for the 6 mil/rev design. I will say about the only real downfall is that mounting a Tangent can get cramped on a long action depending on your rifle set-up/body type. DVOR has had the TT315M and the TT315H on sale a couple times in the past couple of months. Overall, it's an outstanding overall scope.

The ZCO420 is probably the best do everything optic that I've used (or tied with Tangent). Similar to the Tangent, the eyebox is HUGE, parallax is very foregiving, field of view is masssive, and the picture is enormous. I like the reticle selection from ZCO better (personal preference). Overall, the controls are great. Although, being a right handed shooter, I prefer a counter-clockwise ('european') magnification ring adjustment. I would like the windage to stay locking and for the elevation to be non-locking if we're being nitpicky. The large numbers on the turrets are the way to go along with second rev indicator and numerical reference. I think I have something like 19.5 mils of adjustment left after zero'ing at 100 yards, which gets my 7mm Rem Mag out to 1,900+ yards (I've only shot that gun out to 1,400 yards though). The biggest downside is the weight followed by the short length. The more I use the ZCO, the more I enjoy it.

The Kahles k525i is just behind the ZCO and is an excellent 'long range' optic. I've taken several game animals with the Kahles at 'short range'. The longer scope body makes mounting a non-issue. It is on the heavy side at 34 oz. The eyebox is very foregiving, depth of field/parallax is foregiving, but not as much as TT/ZCO. The FoV is also not as large as TT/ZCO, but the Kahles is not bad. I like the SKMR/SKMR3 reticles (again, personal preference). The Kahles turrets are great, but I would prefer the DLR 10 mil/rev over my 16 mil/rev turrets for a hunting application. The DLR also has a much wider FoV compared to the K525i. I wouldn't pay retail for the Kahles, but you can find used/demo in the mid $2k range.

I would say the Tangent, ZCO, & maybe Kahles occupy the 'alpha' class. Kahles may be a slight step down.

The ATACR and Mk5 are definitely a step down and are either 'beta' or 'gamma' class. They are not terrible scopes, but they do not occupy the same space as the other three. For a $4k budget, I wouldn't consider an ATACR or a Mk5.
 

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This is exactly why you should not ask this question on the internet. OP states he is not looking to shoot over 3-400 yards with a 300 win mag and everyone is recommending a 20+ power long range riflescope over 30 oz? Really???

With a 200 yard zero there is very little holdover out to 400. If you like Swaros and your quarry is elk I would go with the z3 3-9 or 4-12 in either duplex or BRH reticles.
 

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This is exactly why you should not ask this question on the internet. OP states he is not looking to shoot over 3-400 yards with a 300 win mag and everyone is recommending a 20+ power long range riflescope over 30 oz? Really???

With a 200 yard zero there is very little holdover out to 400. If you like Swaros and your quarry is elk I would go with the z3 3-9 or 4-12 in either duplex or BRH reticles.
Uhh, one dude recommended a scope that goes over 20x....hardly everybody. Myself and several others recommended 3-15's. A specific 3-15 that throat rips a Z3 :ROFLMAO:

Having a $4k budget and buying a cheap-o Z3 would make Jesus cry....or at the very least, this dude

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This is exactly why you should not ask this question on the internet. OP states he is not looking to shoot over 3-400 yards with a 300 win mag and everyone is recommending a 20+ power long range riflescope over 30 oz? Really???

With a 200 yard zero there is very little holdover out to 400. If you like Swaros and your quarry is elk I would go with the z3 3-9 or 4-12 in either duplex or BRH reticles.
all the scopes brands i mentioned i was meaning the 3-18x or 4-16
anyone that says they need over 20x for a hunting rifle needs their eyes checked.
the one nice thing about having a 4000$ budget for a scope and actually being able to buy a alpha glass scope
you can get a good resale value on it afterwards, and who knows maybe he will decide he wants to start stretching his shots out to 500, 600, 700 down the road its is a 300wm after all
i have a 5lbs 4oz 300wsm i use for sheep hunting with a 32oz scope on it.
 

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Given your budget I don't see a good reason to not get a Tangent Theta. It would curbstomp basically anything else that has been recommended.
 

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It seems like a lot of recommendations are these guys' wishlists.

Since you said you are sticking to 300-400 yards. Heavy tactical scopes are not likely the right answer.

Get great glass in a European scope.
Swarovski Z8i (BT is an option)
Zeiss V8
S&B Zenith or Polar

With your budget, you can get into trouble buying "more" than you need.

Z8i 1.7-13x42 or 2.3-18x56 would be my choice in your place.



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It seems like a lot of recommendations are these guys' wishlists.

Since you said you are sticking to 300-400 yards. Heavy tactical scopes are not likely the right answer.

Get great glass in a European scope.
Swarovski Z8i (BT is an option)
Zeiss V8
S&B Zenith or Polar

With your budget, you can get into trouble buying "more" than you need.

Z8i 1.7-13x42 or 2.3-18x56 would be my choice in your place.
Worth noting the two you recommended are 2oz and 5oz lighter (without scope caps) than the TT (with caps) that's been recommended the most in this thread. I'm not saying he NEEDS to use his entire budget but it's not often we get to recommend a TT so this is quite an occasion. It's not a heavy scope, though I suppose it would serve as a "tactical" scope.
 
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