Should I sell my CVA Accura V2 to buy 700 Remington ultimate muzzleloader?

snik

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I bought a CVA Accura V2 last year, but now I'm debating on whether or not I should sell it and buy a Remington 700. The biggest thing that is pushing me to do it, is the ability of the Remington to shoot farther distance. Do any of you have Accura V2's? If so, how far are you shooting them with accuracy? What about you that have Remington's? How far are you shooting them with accuracy?
 

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I'm not a CVA fan but, I helped a couple friends set theirs up and shot one of them. It shot much better than I expected, yet I'm just not a CVA fan. Not saying there's something wrong with them, just that I don't care for the overall rifle. They are not LONG RANGE rifles IMO.
As for the Remington, I'd suggest you determine how much you actually plan on shooting first, then determine if it may be worth the 'extra' attention to numerous details. Yes, they are a much longer range rifle, but you pay for that range with a considerable weight increase over your CVA and also, much more recoil when shooting stiff loads.

Now....... it depends on the effort, including expense that you determine is your maximum. The VERY FIRST THING I'd do, even before shooting the rifle a single time, would be to contact Luke at Arrowhead Rifles and purchase his Gen2 breech plug system. The OEM system can have considerable issues, including gas cutting the nipples, piss poor brass primer carriers that can vary to .020" in head thickness and .010" inside flash holes off center. I have no clue where Remington get that brass, but its about as piss poor as you'll find. Its virtually impossible to have the correct head spacing with brass like that. NOTE: BH209 IS NOT AN APPROVED PROPELLANT FOR THE OEM BREECH PLUG.

The Gen2 system completely eliminates ALL problems with the OEM breech plug and you can shoot extremely heavy charges of BH209 that a CVA can only dream of. You can push a 300gr SST at 2,400fps. The Gen2 system is the very first thing I'd do, even before sending one round. Once that system is installed, you're done with breech plug problems, period. They are guaranteed for life also.

Nothing...………. and I mean nothing.... is cheap about sending bullets fast or to long range. Don't even think about a cheap mount, rings, or scope. RUM's will eat cheap scopes like a kid eats candy. Been there.....

Another suggestion...…... do what everyone else is doing: https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/700-ultimate-muzzleloader-upgrades/
 

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Nope. Wife's not gonna go for that. 😀

I need to figure out an affordable option that has decent accuracy. Found a NIB Vortex 1X scope that is legal here. I will draw a statewide December Any Deer muzzleloader tag in 2020. It's a great tag and I want to do it justice.

Open to suggestions.
 

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I've gotten to play around with both quite a bit and I would lean more towards just getting the best optic you can for the CVA and spending time with load development for it. Pretty easy to get one to 300 but with the right scope those CVAs can be a 400 yard gun. The capacity to shoot more powder in the Rem is a draw but most muzzy bullets don't do very well when they are pushed that hard and I agree with the above statement that you need to spend extra coin on a few upgrades for the Rem like a trigger and a breech plug. The recoil also gets pretty intense with that much powder. Money is better spent on a optic IMO. I put a VX5hd on mine and haven't looked back.
Weight your BH209. 80 weighted grains seems to be a sweet spot for lots of guns and is just under max load. I really like the Harverster scorpion and Parker ballistic extreme Sabots. Be meticulous when loading your ML. Smoothly load your bullets and apply even pressure on the bullet every time.

If your itching for a new Muzzy I'd personally try the new CVA paramount or get a Cooper.

Good luck.
 
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I've gotten to play around with both quite a bit and I would lean more towards just getting the best optic you can for the CVA and spending time with load development for it. Pretty easy to get one to 300 but with the right scope those CVAs can be a 400 yard gun. The capacity to shoot more powder in the Rem is a draw but most muzzy bullets don't do very well when they are pushed that hard and I agree with the above statement that you need to spend extra coin on a few upgrades for the Rem like a trigger and a breech plug. The recoil also gets pretty intense with that much powder. Money is better spent on a optic IMO. I put a VX5hd on mine and haven't looked back.
Weight your BH209. 80 weighted grains seems to be a sweet spot for lots of guns and is just under max load. I really like the Harverster scorpion and Parker ballistic extreme Sabots. Be meticulous when loading your ML. Smoothly load your bullets and apply even pressure on the bullet every time.

If your itching for a new Muzzy I'd personally try the new CVA paramount or get a Cooper.

Good luck.
Thanks for the response! I'll give it a try and see what happens!
 

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In the long run…….. it all depends on what you're ACTUALLY trying to achieve. Also, what will make you HAPPY, not just satisfied.

My dad (R.I.P.) always used to say: "If you don't have the money or time to do it right the first time, where are you going to get the money or time to do it over?"

Its a lesson that at times I wish I'd have paid closer attention to at times, believe me.

As for the Paramount, I'd hold off on that just a little. Everything we've seen so far shows that the "self-head spacing bolt" leaks. It was ridiculously evident in their first video promotion. I do know that Arrowhead Rifles is waiting for one, which when received, he'll FIX that so called, "self-head spacing".
As for extreme accuracy, I don't believe the rifle has proven itself yet at long range. Yeah, promotions might indicate it, but its just getting into the hands of some of the top shooters, which will give it a complete LONG RANGE review (>200yds). I do know that CVA was invited to bring their top shooters to the Spring Nationals at the NMLRA, which are currently in progress. Rather they showed or not is the question unanswered as yet.

As for the Cooper, and this is just me, I'd go with the Knight hands down first.

Here's some advice from a long time muzzleloader, or as the wife would say, "A guy that thinks money grows on trees". The advice above about a quality scope is without question, spot on. All to often, regardless of how high quality a rifle may be, shooters/hunters top them off with weak mounts, rings and a cheap scope, then expect to shoot groups the size of a dime at 100+yds. Honestly, it makes me giggle...……… ;)

As far as the CVA production .50cal rifles, any of them, 400yds is a LONG POKE, even with the best of bullets available for the .50cal rifles. Bullet energy drops off like a rock once you get beyond 200-250yds, even with a 300gr bullet, max production rifle charges of BH209, which will drop below 1,000fpe at 300yds +/-.

As for the Remington, I'd make the necessary modifications with the breech plug first. The X-Mark Pro trigger will work fine for most hunters as they are. As far as triggers are concerned, you can install ANY brand of trigger on a Remington 700 action. You can push a 300gr SST bullet using BH209 easily at 2,400fps from a RUM with the Gen2 breech plug with over 1,000fpe at 350yds. Use a higher BC bullet, such as a Parker Black Max, or Pittman and keep the bullet energy over 1,000fpe at 500yds.

As for the recoil, the addition of a muzzle brake, especially the LR Customs T-Rex brake, will allow a child to shoot a RUM with a maximum charge (160grs V) and a 300gr bullet. Here's an video example a buddy made shooting his RUM with a maximum charge. NOTE...……… THERE IS NO WEIGHT WHAT SO EVER ON HIS SLED.


I would suggest this...……… think about everything, exactly what your final expectations really are. Expectations that will make you happy and not just satisfied. Remember what my dad used to say...….
You can always buy a high quality scope, mounts and rings now, add them to your current rifle and go shoot. That stuff transfers to another rifle easily, well short of the mount. Do your homework first. Take it to the wife and discuss long range plans. You might be better off with just a new scope this year and save up for a new rifle next year. Just sneak closer to game till then.

Oh...…………. If you want to end ALL the problems you have now and/or those that might pop up in the future, there's a rifle for sale right here on the site, right now. Just because that is listed as a smokeless rifle, does not mean that it won't shoot BH209 and do it EXCELLENTLY. The rife in that post is a VERY HIGH QUALITY rifle and someone will get an top quality rifle buying it. Top quality is not cheap.

Good luck with your decision.
 
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