Trump waterways/wetlands roll back

[Poser]

While the kitchen is hot, might as well discuss how these rollbacks will effect the future of hunting and fishing.

Links and perspectives from multiple sources provided for reference.

Redirect Notice

Trump administration rolls back water regulations

The Trump administration eliminated environmental protections covering a significant portion of U.S. waterways, paving the way for developers, farmers, and industries to operate with fewer impediments, as public health officials and environmentalists blasted the move.

www.google.com

Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands

The controversial rule change dramatically reduces pollution protections for many waterways. Farmers and builders approve, but environmental groups plan to challenge it.

www.npr.org

EPA Removes Clean Water Act Protections from Many Wetlands and Streams

This article was originally published in September, 2019, and has been updated to reflected current events. On Jan. 23, the Trump Administration’s EPA and Army Corps announced new, weaker regulations regarding enforcement of the 1972 Clean Water Act. The federal agencies say it was necessary to...

www.themeateater.com

 

[Bull_n_heat]

Kind of disappointing to see these rollbacks (possible understatement). Years of research went in to understanding how these small waters function within a larger watershed context, and there was a lot of push and pull to set up those regulations so that they would work to protect what was valuable.

 

[W1bowo]

Kind of disappointing to see these rollbacks (possible understatement). Years of research went in to understanding how these small waters function within a larger watershed context, and there was a lot of push and pull to set up those regulations so that they would work to protect what was valuable.

+1

 

[Broomd]

Can't believe that other "Rogen" thread was locked down. Unbelievable. I was a moderator at the Alaska Outdoors Forum for years. It wasn't easy, and I know things get heated and sometimes intervention is warranted, but there has to be some leeway.

These issues are too important to not talk about.
If we end up a Socialist nation, there won't be a Rokslide Forum, because there won't be guns or legalized hunting!
Hyperbole? Think again!

 

[Rich M]

From what I understood, the entire us was mapped for watersheds and laws were ready to be implemented that would reduce the landowners rights on their own land.

Essentially any watershed type property was gonna get locked down and folks were gonna lose their land.

Only heard it once from someone who was contracted to do the mapping in an area down south.

Never researched it further.

 

[Poser]

Can't believe that other "Rogen" thread was locked down. Unbelievable. I was a moderator at the Alaska Outdoors Forum for years. It wasn't easy, and I know things get heated and sometimes intervention is warranted, but there has to be some leeway.

These issues are too important to not talk about.
If we end up a Socialist nation, there won't be a Rokslide Forum, because there won't be guns or legalized hunting!
Hyperbole? Think again!

Kind of surprised that thread got locked because it really wasn’t out of control, however, this thread is not an attempt to revive the “bernie” debate rather to discuss the specifics of how these roll backs may effect the future of hunting and fishing, what that future may look like and if there is a defensible position to be had for such roll backs.

When I lived in TN, there was an area deep in the bottomland of West TN where a bunch of (hardcore conservative) swamp bottom rednecks fought tooth and nail to save their duck hunting habitat from industrial waste. I suppose that I wonder how this shakes out for hunters and anglers as they relate to the Trump administration.

On a side note, I’ll speculate that this decision will likely be reversed by whatever administration follows this current one. Seems to be largely unpopular deregulation with a number of user groups but perhaps I am wrong?

 

[Antarctica]

From what I understood, the entire us was mapped for watersheds and laws were ready to be implemented that would reduce the landowners rights on their own land.

Essentially any watershed type property was gonna get locked down and folks were gonna lose their land.

Only heard it once from someone who was contracted to do the mapping in an area down south.

Never researched it further.

No need to research it further, I'll tell you how it is first hand. I live on the chesapeake bay. I can't cut a tree down, can't legally cut brush, nothing. It is absolutely insane. And the prime 'oversight' body is the Chesapeake Bay Foundation. If you take a visit to their HQ, they plopped down a large building feet from the bay. So they get a pass, but everyone else is rule-bound.

I'm all for protection. But there is no balance with land-owner rights. And if you note my forum alias, I've spent many years working with scientists - specifically climate scientists and geophysicists. If you think for one second that scientists are unbiased, pious servants of the truth, you are in for a rude awakening. As a whole I've never met a more self serving group of people. And the most self serving aspect of them all is to make sure, at all costs, that their funding continues uninterrupted - science be damned.

So I'm open to a little rollback. Initial protections were needed in a world where the environs meant was nothing but a dumping ground to corporate America. But its swung far to far the other way..

 

[Vandy321]

Can't believe that other "Rogen" thread was locked down. Unbelievable. I was a moderator at the Alaska Outdoors Forum for years. It wasn't easy, and I know things get heated and sometimes intervention is warranted, but there has to be some leeway.

These issues are too important to not talk about.
If we end up a Socialist nation, there won't be a Rokslide Forum, because there won't be guns or legalized hunting!
Hyperbole? Think again!

Exactly...these mods are over the top at times. Let folks have some heated discussions, let folks make some bad jokes. It doesnt look bad on your sight...what looks bad on your sight is the locking down of open discussion.

Let grown men be men and have general discussions (non-hunting releated) in the general discussion area.

Safe spaces are for college campus and Bernie Sanders rallies.

 

[Fatcamp]

Do you like following along with lawsuits? If so then this is right up your alley.

 

[tdhanses]

From what I understood, the entire us was mapped for watersheds and laws were ready to be implemented that would reduce the landowners rights on their own land.

Essentially any watershed type property was gonna get locked down and folks were gonna lose their land.

Only heard it once from someone who was contracted to do the mapping in an area down south.

Never researched it further.

Yup while it did great things the EPA way over reached into where it gave them control of small creek beds on private. Personally the EPA over reach needed to be put in check and sorry but some of these conservation groups could careless about how they effect private owners of land. I think we’ll see something better come out that still protects many critical wet lands yet doesn’t govern what a private land owner does with a small waterway they own.

Personally the sky is not falling and I don’t see a major long term effect to hunting, but we tend to be a chicken little society.

 

[DWhitt]

No need to research it further, I'll tell you how it is first hand. I live on the chesapeake bay. I can't cut a tree down, can't legally cut brush, nothing. It is absolutely insane. And the prime 'oversight' body is the Chesapeake Bay Foundation. If you take a visit to their HQ, they plopped down a large building feet from the bay. So they get a pass, but everyone else is rule-bound.

I'm all for protection. But there is no balance with land-owner rights. And if you note my forum alias, I've spent many years working with scientists - specifically climate scientists and geophysicists. If you think for one second that scientists are unbiased, pious servants of the truth, you are in for a rude awakening. As a whole I've never met a more self serving group of people. And the most self serving aspect of them all is to make sure, at all costs, that their funding continues uninterrupted - science be damned.

So I'm open to a little rollback. Initial protections were needed in a world where the environs meant was nothing but a dumping ground to corporate America. But its swung far to far the other way..

Well Said!!!

 

[Alvie]

No need to research it further, I'll tell you how it is first hand. I live on the chesapeake bay. I can't cut a tree down, can't legally cut brush, nothing. It is absolutely insane. And the prime 'oversight' body is the Chesapeake Bay Foundation. If you take a visit to their HQ, they plopped down a large building feet from the bay. So they get a pass, but everyone else is rule-bound.

I'm all for protection. But there is no balance with land-owner rights. And if you note my forum alias, I've spent many years working with scientists - specifically climate scientists and geophysicists. If you think for one second that scientists are unbiased, pious servants of the truth, you are in for a rude awakening. As a whole I've never met a more self serving group of people. And the most self serving aspect of them all is to make sure, at all costs, that their funding continues uninterrupted - science be damned.

So I'm open to a little rollback. Initial protections were needed in a world where the environs meant was nothing but a dumping ground to corporate America. But its swung far to far the other way..

Good to see theres at leased one individual here that see what it really is.

 

[dla]

While the kitchen is hot, might as well discuss how these rollbacks will effect the future of hunting and fishing.

Links and perspectives from multiple sources provided for reference.

Redirect Notice

Trump administration rolls back water regulations

The Trump administration eliminated environmental protections covering a significant portion of U.S. waterways, paving the way for developers, farmers, and industries to operate with fewer impediments, as public health officials and environmentalists blasted the move.

www.google.com

Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands

The controversial rule change dramatically reduces pollution protections for many waterways. Farmers and builders approve, but environmental groups plan to challenge it.

www.npr.org

EPA Removes Clean Water Act Protections from Many Wetlands and Streams

This article was originally published in September, 2019, and has been updated to reflected current events. On Jan. 23, the Trump Administration’s EPA and Army Corps announced new, weaker regulations regarding enforcement of the 1972 Clean Water Act. The federal agencies say it was necessary to...

www.themeateater.com

So you have absolutely no clue what these changes are, but because Trump changed them, it must be bad?

 

[Poser]

So you have absolutely no clue what these changes are, but because Trump changed them, it must be bad?

Where did you Infer that sentiment from? I was honestly asking because I was interested in reading the responses and having some discussion. Posted multiple links because some people get twitchy about links from certain sources so I provided a variety in the event folks wanted to read up on it.

 

[Bull_n_heat]

I think the disappointing part of it to me is that the real "winners" in these regulatory changes are the real estate developers. I don't think there's a hunter alive that can deny when landscapes turn into condo and strip malls, wildlife (and most certainly hunters) lose.

 

[tdhanses]

I think the disappointing part of it to me is that the real "winners" in these regulatory changes are the real estate developers. I don't think there's a hunter alive that can deny when landscapes turn into condo and strip malls, wildlife (and most certainly hunters) lose.

How do hunters lose from developers? Developers are not taking public lands and developing them and if that happened it .00000001% of a possibility to public lands you can hunt. If anything it benefits public land hunters if a prime piece of private land is developed, where else do the ducks go?

I get it, we don’t want prime habitat destroyed but I see golf courses covered with water fowl, this wasn’t ever public land though so very few if anyone ever hunted these land.

So again how does developing private land effect hunters?

If I own 2000 acres it’s my choice to do what I want with my land, now if the public wants a voice in that maybe they should start paying me or other land owners for their opinion yet still get no access to my land.

Maybe everyone in support of these initiatives should invest in a land owners fund that also allows open access to hunting and fishing. Put your investment where your opinion is.

 

[techmanil]

This is a good thing. If you have any water that flows across your land, the government can control how you improve your land. Water flows from neighbors field into your field, to bad, the government will control how/if you change things. Want a pond, stay away from the local creek/stream/ditch as the water belongs to the government. The current administration is just giving back the control of property to the owner.

 

[Randle]

I have a good friend that is one of the most respectable, loggers I know. His family ground is about 680 acres. He is managing it and doing a great job, but he is limited on what he can do around the creeks that run thru his ground. Can't have a cat within x number of feet away, can't cut trees within x number of feet, etc
Its crazy what is mandated on private ground

 

[Justin Crossley]

Exactly...these mods are over the top at times. Let folks have some heated discussions, let folks make some bad jokes. It doesnt look bad on your sight...what looks bad on your sight is the locking down of open discussion.

Let grown men be men and have general discussions (non-hunting releated) in the general discussion area.

Safe spaces are for college campus and Bernie Sanders rallies.

Don't like how we do things? Feel free to leave. We work very hard to keep Rokslide like it is.

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[Crowmangler]

Full disclosure....I haven't had time to read any of these regs but it's pretty safe to assume that anything coming out of the Trump administration would be exponentially better than if it were coming from one run by any of the Commies on the other side