Thanks for replying, after reading this thread decided to pick up an RX-4 Ultra...not to high jack the original thread, but to answer my own question and in case it helps others, the Carbon Defiant 34 and RX-4 Ultra feel very similar (I had asked about the difference b/t an RX-3 and RX-4 as was trying to decide for which to buy in place of my Carbon Defiant-decided if was going to buy a newer bow anyway, I’d go with the latest model in consideration)I couldnt tell you, as I have been shooting a PSE Carbon Air since 2017. This is my first Hoyt that I have had in 15 years. sorry man.