Funny thing for me Ryan I've only killed one deer with a compound I just can't use one. Something with the sights release etc I just can't get it done. I have missed so many critters with one.I have killed elk with a stick and with a compound. Compounds are way easier to kill with and involve much less practice to become proficient. So in my eyes you can't compare Randy Ulmer to Fred Bear. Not saying one is better than the other. Just totally different methods!