Wolf Biologist Video

[sneaky]

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Wolves, Big Game, and Hunting – 8.001 - Extension

At a statewide level, wolves are unlikely to have a major impact on overall big game populations or hunting opportunities in Colorado

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Now post up the numbers from the wilderness area herds in Idaho. All the elk are moving down onto private, just like Montana. Numbers don't mean shit, tell the whole story.

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[87TT]

And the bulls take a bigger percentage hit than the cows because they don't migrate to private as much.

 

[Moserkr]

Lets release more wolves and absolutely a boat load of grizzlies in CA next. I want all the liberals who push their feel good crap to feel the roar of a grizzly chill their spine as they shit themselves back into a prius. Not going to watch your video. Saw the devastation first hand in MT when they were reintroduced and that was enough.

Just a quick thought - I know MT and ID at least, sell enough wolf tags to kill every wolf in the state every year. Problem and solution is already there - we just dont hunt well enough, maybe... spoke to an old montana mountain man who killed over 2000 wolves before they had been wiped out and reintroduced. He said they ran wolf hounds and others used poison. Only way to get em all. They are a plague, much like CA in general...

 

[nobody]

The video definitely does a good job of attempting to "hit you in your feelers."

But with all that being said, facts don't care about feelings. My in laws own a couple thousand acres of summer, fall, and winter range for elk, mule deer, and pronghorn in Unit 380, one of the most coveted units in Montana (apparently, according to him when he finally drew the tag this past year). They get several landowner tags for elk every year. There have been years where my F.I.L. looks up from his desk out the window of his second story office and there's a herd of elk feeding behind his house, and he grabs his 338 WM, opens the window, and fills a tag or two. My wife literally grew up NEVER having beef in the house, they never ate anything but game.

But recently, especially the past 5 years, the number of elk that they see has absolutely plummeted. They used to see blankets of elk, and now they see a few here and there. They have several canyons that they can go and listen to/watch them rut, but they've completely shut up and no longer call. They still see them, they just are quiet.

What they do see lots of are wolves and wolf sign. They've found wolf kills on their property where a pack has killed a pregnant cow, ripped the fetus from the mother and eaten it, and just left the mother to rot. Now I'm not all sappy and I understand that nature is cool, and hunters definitely hunt for sport. But we also hunt for meat, and destroying and wasting resources makes me sick. Wolves are the ultimate killing machines, and it's all they know how to do.

It especially bothers me that the "biologists" introduced an invasive species of wolf that was never here in the first place. Mexican gray wolves used to run the entirety of the western United States, and they were much smaller and less capable than the Canadian Wolves. I mean, imagine if a guy like me turned loose an invasive species of freshwater shark in the Rocky Mountains. I would have all sorts of fines and potentially even end up in jail over it.

Why some people can't understand that is beyond me...

 

[WCB]

It seems like the two guys in the video were trying to push an agenda more than the biologist. Who cares about the Endangered Species Fund in reference to this video...those wolves are no longer Endangered.

Her anecdote on 70% of the wolf kills being injured or having something wrong on them leaves a lot to be desired. I'd say probably 70% of animals have had some kind of injury doesn't mean anything unless you actually document the kill you have no idea if the injury actually had any effect on the animal.

Her statement about really liking them and not loving them or hating them is a pretty middle ground statement that I think a lot of hunters would make, me included. I don't mind them being on the landscape. I have seen them, heard them, and cut many tracks in MT and here in MN and think "cool wolf tracks". But, I think the should be managed by hunting and trapping.
Easy for someone with basically endless amounts of money to say the effect on his herd is inconsequential. No ranchers are really saying their whole cattle herd is being decimated but to most ranchers a couple calves is a big deal.

If you bitch about wolves out west and don't actively try to hunt them well you know where you can start. Buy tags and go after them. It is the same with Coyotes. Guys complain all the time about them then when you ask them do you trap or hunt them the response you get from most of them...crickets.

I will state one fact and don't ask me for numbers or studies but... anybody that says they should be all killed off is wrong and anybody that says none should be killed is also wrong...both equally.

 

[jolemons]

The video definitely does a good job of attempting to "hit you in your feelers."

But with all that being said, facts don't care about feelings. My in laws own a couple thousand acres of summer, fall, and winter range for elk, mule deer, and pronghorn in Unit 380, one of the most coveted units in Montana (apparently, according to him when he finally drew the tag this past year). They get several landowner tags for elk every year. There have been years where my F.I.L. looks up from his desk out the window of his second story office and there's a herd of elk feeding behind his house, and he grabs his 338 WM, opens the window, and fills a tag or two. My wife literally grew up NEVER having beef in the house, they never ate anything but game.

But recently, especially the past 5 years, the number of elk that they see has absolutely plummeted. They used to see blankets of elk, and now they see a few here and there. They have several canyons that they can go and listen to/watch them rut, but they've completely shut up and no longer call. They still see them, they just are quiet.

What they do see lots of are wolves and wolf sign. They've found wolf kills on their property where a pack has killed a pregnant cow, ripped the fetus from the mother and eaten it, and just left the mother to rot. Now I'm not all sappy and I understand that nature is cool, and hunters definitely hunt for sport. But we also hunt for meat, and destroying and wasting resources makes me sick. Wolves are the ultimate killing machines, and it's all they know how to do.

It especially bothers me that the "biologists" introduced an invasive species of wolf that was never here in the first place. Mexican gray wolves used to run the entirety of the western United States, and they were much smaller and less capable than the Canadian Wolves. I mean, imagine if a guy like me turned loose an invasive species of freshwater shark in the Rocky Mountains. I would have all sorts of fines and potentially even end up in jail over it.

Why some people can't understand that is beyond me...

Not trying to argue semantics, but the Mexican was not the subspecies that dominated the western US before the extripation of the wolves in the 19th-20th century. There were several other subspecies, whose ranges overlapped and they likely interbred where the overlap occurred. Thanks for the comments and sharing your experiences though.

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[mtnbiker208]

There are not to many neautral people on wolves. I am one of them. I have tags in my pocket. The video may not have been from a hunters perspective who does not like competition. But all in all, not to bad of a vid.
I did snicker a few times, but who doesn't on any video about wildlife.

 

[elkbowhuntr]

Yeah and here we go again; they are trying to get them put back on the protected list.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/01/groups-ask-court-to-restore-protections-for-gray-wolves/

 

[sneaky]

Yeah and here we go again; they are trying to get them put back on the protected list.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/01/groups-ask-court-to-restore-protections-for-gray-wolves/

I literally hate those people. Every single one of them. They can't admit that every recovery goal for these damn things was met 15 years ago. They want to keep expanding predator populations til game numbers plummet enough to reduce people's desire to hunt. Colorado is about to see first hand what happens to their elk herd and deer herd. But, they're ready...."global warming and parasites are killing off all the ungulates".

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[S.Clancy]

Get after it.

 

[DudeBro]

Bottom line: when you allow politics, emotions, and elections to dictate management practices and depart from the North American model of wildlife conservation; undesirable things - some unforeseen, many foreseeable - happen.

Any plan to introduce wolves should be paired with an equally unchangeable plan to manage the resulting population (most likely through hunting).

 

[DudeBro]

This 20 minute video was produced by the Mountain Journal about a wolf field biologist. If you are a die hard wolf hater, do not waste your time watching this video and then posting negative comments. If you are fascinated with wolves or would like to know more about work being done to better understand their behavior and impacts on the environment, please enjoy.

True Wild: The Real Story Of Wolves On Ted Turner's Montana Ranch (mountainjournal.org

Joel, if you didn't realize, Ted Turner (owner of the ranch in question), is a self-professed "socialist at heart." Perhaps, the production of this "film" has an agenda?

 

[Okhotnik]

This 20 minute video was produced by the Mountain Journal about a wolf field biologist. If you are a die hard wolf hater, do not waste your time watching this video and then posting negative comments. If you are fascinated with wolves or would like to know more about work being done to better understand their behavior and impacts on the environment, please enjoy.

True Wild: The Real Story Of Wolves On Ted Turner's Montana Ranch (mountainjournal.org

How wolves do you have in your state? How many wounded deer, elk, moose have found attacked by wolves? You watched one video on the internet and be an expert now? lol

 

[Okhotnik]

Now post up the numbers from the wilderness area herds in Idaho. All the elk are moving down onto private, just like Montana. Numbers don't mean shit, tell the whole story.

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he watched a video on the internet and is now a self proclaimed wolf expert. You need to listen to internet participation trophy experts now its 2021.

 

[Okhotnik]

Not trying to argue semantics, but the Mexican was not the subspecies that dominated the western US before the extripation of the wolves in the 19th-20th century. There were several other subspecies, whose ranges overlapped and they likely interbred where the overlap occurred. Thanks for the comments and sharing your experiences though.

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how many wolves did you observe this year in the wild?

 

[DudeBro]

How wolves do you have in your state? How many wounded deer, elk, moose have found attacked by wolves? You watched one video on the internet and be an expert now? lol

We’ve all watched Alpha and Omega with our kids. Doesn’t that count for something?

 

[Okhotnik]

We’ve all watched Alpha and Omega with our kids. Doesn’t that count for something?

it sure does. Certified Wolf Expert who can come on here and lectures others like they're dumb ignorant school children

 

[elkbowhuntr]

Everybody knows what's going to happen; the environmentalists (tree-huggers) will petition one of the liberal federal courts with their BS version of what is going on and the little puppy dogs will be relisted as threatened.

 

[Okhotnik]

Thanks guys, just here to spread the love. Fact is, they're here to stay and will likely be in Colorado soon. Competent biologists have told me that it is likely that their range will extend from the Canadian Rockies down to the Sangre de Cristos in New Mexico within a decade. I'm doing my due diligence in fact gathering and trying my best to understand them as a species. They are polarizing and I completely get the hatred and resentment, but those aren't my personal sentiments.

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Yep. wolves are very stationary in their behavior. They would never ever travel in search of a new food source. Do people on here actually spend anytime in the woods or just on youtube and pint night swapping anecdotes and theories? lol

 

[jolemons]

Yep. wolves are very stationary in their behavior. They would never ever travel in search of a new food source. Do people on here actually spend anytime in the woods or just on youtube and pint night swapping anecdotes and theories? lol

As I said, within a decade they'll likely have a direct and indirect impact on most western states within the Rocky Mountain complex. I read an article from ID biologists last night recommending mountain lion quotas be cut in wolf regions and soon to be wolf regions because of the negative affect that they have on their populations.

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