Wolves again

[Okhotnik]

Wedge wolfpack attacks livestock in NE Washington

A northeast Washington wolfpack killed a cow last week in northern Stevens County, the first confirmed wolf attack on livestock in Washington since early January.

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Range riding didn’t work??

This crap is being pushed by an anti hunting group Conservation NW in Washington .

FYI been a lot of livestock killed by wolves this year but state won’t acknowledge it

 

[jorgensen.travis]

Ranchers fishing for government subsidies are just a short step above welfare recipients.


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[87TT]

Obviously don't know diddly about ranching. How would you like it if I let my dog eat the seatcovers out of your car? Every cow the wolves kill is $!000 out of their pocket or their kids mouth.

 

[Randle]

Ranchers fishing for government subsidies are just a short step above welfare recipients.


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What? Getting reimbursed for lose of income from a predator that was dumped in their lap . Welfare?

 

[Okhotnik]

Ranchers fishing for government subsidies are just a short step above welfare recipients.


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People living in urban areas have no clue where their food comes from.

Sad

 

[Beendare]

Everybody loves to hate ranchers.

I think its a case of, "Walk a mile in their shoes"

I have buddies that are ranchers and the stories of what they have to deal with everything from the general public that has no respect for property rights.....to the government...is ridiculous.

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[RCB]

Ranchers fishing for government subsidies are just a short step above welfare recipients.


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Troll?

 

[jorgensen.travis]

You’re right about our food coming from cattle, and agricultural farmers. It’s a necessary thing to support our population. However it does come with costs. I believe farming practices have wiped out habitat for wildlife across our nation. I’m not going to stand behind farmers and ranchers when they complain about elk, deer, and bison destroying their crops or competing with their cattle for grass. Therefore I won’t stand behind them on the wolf issue. Even though the wolf issue benefits us as hunters. I feel like a hypocrite cherry picking issues that I want to align with. I’m also against government spending in general. Many ranchers and farmers have inherited their wealth, so I have a hard time finding sympathy for them.


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[jorgensen.travis]

Troll?

Yeah
The definition of troll is “anyone that doesn’t agree with you”.


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[RCB]

Yeah
The definition of troll is “anyone that doesn’t agree with you”.


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Just seemed like an intentionally inflammatory comment.

 

[Btaylor]

Just seemed like an intentionally inflammatory comment.

If it wasnt intentional, it was high level ignorance.

 

[87TT]

I'm not sure how to respond. He just has no clue period. The ranchers I know are way more concerned about the environment and wildlife than any urban dwelling (deleted). The ranchers life depends on it. Wolves in no way shape or form help wildlife such as elk and deer except helping themselves to the buffet. Half the reason ranchers complain about elk eating their hay is because the wolves pushed them there. Ranchers have a tough life. the only way to make a million dollars ranching is to start out with two million.

 

[mtwarden]

in Montana there is a fund (taxpayer funded) that reimburses legitimate livestock losses from grizzlies, wolves, mtn lions- it averages ~ $200,000 a year

probably more importantly the Livestock Loss Board coordinates efforts w/ our Fish, Wildlife & Parks to help stock producers to bolster preventative measures they can take to reduce losses

 

[juan trueno]

I own way more shares of wolves, beeves, and social security than I ever would’ve purchased on my own.

 

[JWP58]

Many ranchers and farmers have inherited their wealth, so I have a hard time finding sympathy for them.


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What can they do to rectify their sin of inheritance?

 

[Kootenay Hunter]

Wolves in no way shape or form help wildlife such as elk and deer except helping themselves to the buffet.

Are you sure? Predators have no value in the ecosystem? Should we wipe them out completely then?

 

[jorgensen.travis]

To be honest, I was being provocative with my original comment. That is sort of what forums are all about. To provoke intelligent conversation. Not just to be an echo chamber for your a point of view that happens to benefit you.
The view from the back deck of my urban home.

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[cuerro viejo]

To be honest, I was being provocative with my original comment. That is sort of what forums are all about. To provoke intelligent conversation. Not just to be an echo chamber for your a point of view that happens to benefit you.
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Life must really sucks when you think making broad blank projections about others station in life is intelligent thought provoking dialogue.

 

[cuerro viejo]

End of the day predator loss reimbursement is no different the Crop/ habitat depredation/ land owner tags.

You either find away to work with landowners that tend to control prime habitat including wintering grounds or they get elected State Ag Sec/commissions to push legislation bills that demand massive wildlife reductions.

People love the thought of lots of animals, until the are writing massive checks, at that point it’s easier and cheaper to just mandate significant wild ungulate herd populations reductions.

Buying tolerance is the most effective way to better and maintain good wildlife populations.
Landowners have a direct ability to influence wildlife populations, positively if they are influenced correctly. Same hold for their tolerance of Apex predators

 

[cuerro viejo]

What can they do to rectify their sin of inheritance?

Obvious answer Sell out and turn it into a 1 acre lot subdivisions......unfortunately