Wyoming wilderness as a non resident

[dave32g]

so as the Wyoming deadline is approaching i was talking with a buddy about units that are majority wilderness.
the question came up, if the wilderness is in the national forest how can the state decide non residents can't hunt it unless accompanied by a resident or guide?

i assume there are a few different angles to this, just wanted to get the opinions of other hunters who might know the reasoning behind it.

thanks
Dave

 

[wapitibob]

Opinions don't really matter.
The state can decide because the state controls the hunting, and the Supreme Court has ruled they can control it as they see fit.

 

[LandYacht]

If you are hunting with a resident do you still need a guide?

 

[ssliger]

If you are hunting with a resident do you still need a guide?

The resident would have to have a tag in the area and get a reside guide license. It doesn't cost anything. Just some paperwork.

 

[LandYacht]

Thanks for the info

 

[dave32g]

Bob

I guess that makes sense.

Thanks

 

[wapitibob]

It's set up as an economic benefit for the Outfitters. Similar but different to the Outfitter tags in NM or OR.

 

[Maxhunter]

Yep, it's been like this for years and people have tried to get it changed but haven't been able too. It's an outfitter thing.

 

[colonel00]

Yep, see the restrictions on sheep, goat and grizzly hunting in Alaska.

 

[dotman]

Yep, see the restrictions on sheep, goat and grizzly hunting in Alaska.

I wouldn't say the restriction is the same as what AK does. It would be like if AK only required a guide for those species on Fed land only but yet you could hunt state land without a guide. For it to be similar to AK they would have to require all NR to use a guide to hunt elk in the entire state.

It is what it is, funny thing, the explanation is for the safety of the inexperienced NR yet you can freely backpack thru it just don't take a rifle and hunt. It is purely an economic freebie for outfitters.

 

[colonel00]

Yeah, you are correct in that in AK it is a species restriction as opposed to an area restriction in WY. But the point is the same that it is a revenue based decision to benefit outfitters under the guise of a concern for hunter safety.

 

[Jethro]

The resident would have to have a tag in the area and get a reside guide license.

The resident only needs to have a current big game license for WY to register as a guide. It doesn't have to be for the same area or species as the non-resident he intends to guide.

 

[realunlucky]

The resident only needs to have a current big game license for WY to register as a guide. It doesn't have to be for the same area or species as the non-resident he intends to guide.

I believe your resident has to have a tag in the same unit. Do you have experience in using this exception

 

[Poser]

I wouldn't say the restriction is the same as what AK does. It would be like if AK only required a guide for those species on Fed land only but yet you could hunt state land without a guide. For it to be similar to AK they would have to require all NR to use a guide to hunt elk in the entire state.

It is what it is, funny thing, the explanation is for the safety of the inexperienced NR yet you can freely backpack thru it just don't take a rifle and hunt. It is purely an economic freebie for outfitters.

Yeah, I've gone backcountry alpine climbing in the Wind River range with no permit or any type of oversight. When I found out about this rule and the reasoning, I found it laughable considering some of the routes we climbed in a Wilderness Area.

 

[Jethro]

I believe your resident has to have a tag in the same unit. Do you have experience in using this exception

I just asked this exact thing to a warden last week as we plan our WY strategy.

 

[jmez]

Your resident guide has to be with you at all times. They do enforce that so keep it in mind. Just having them in camp isn't good enough.

 

[5MilesBack]

Your resident guide has to be with you at all times. They do enforce that so keep it in mind. Just having them in camp isn't good enough.

Well of course. How on earth can your potentially less qualified WY resident keep you safe if they aren't holding your hand the entire time.

 

[Jon Boy]

Anybody know what the penalty is for hunting the wilderness with out a guide?

 

[Shrek]

Anybody know what the penalty is for hunting the wilderness with out a guide?

Capital offense

 

[5MilesBack]

Anybody know what the penalty is for hunting the wilderness with out a guide?

Could be an interesting defense......."I wasn't hunting, I was laying under this tree when an elk just happened to walk by so I shot him". No hunting involved.