.25 Cal (Quarter Bore) / Big Game Success - 25 Creed, 25-284, 25-06, 25 PRC, 25 SAUM

[Moccasin]

Two deer so far this year with my 25 SAUM and Berger 135 LRHT…

Can’t decide if I like the buck or the critter getter more! Great buck.

 

[Unclecroc]

Cow elk taken at 200 yards with Hammer 107HBC in 18” 1:7 25CM.
Bullet passed between ribs on entry and exit and never hit bone, but still exhibited nose fragmentation. Cow took two steps on impact and tipped over. MV was 2970fps and impact velocity was ~2675fps.
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Good to see the HBC being put to work. Congrats!

 

[Quandary]

Two deer so far this year with my 25 SAUM and Berger 135 LRHTs. Wife’s doe at 271 yards, lungs were jello on that one. Maybe made it 10 yards before going down. Then my buck at 550 yards, impact velocity right around 2500. Photos are of the buck.

That is a big bodied buck! What did he weigh in at?

 

[Hans13]

I honestly don’t have a clue. He was heavy for sure though. Made the doe next to him look like a yearling.

 

[eoperator]

Cow elk 128eldx impact at ~2500fps. High lung shot, she went down in 3-4 seconds. Nice long wound cavity, with an exit. A thumbs up for me, 1 deer and 1 elk with 128eldx looking good so far.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Cow elk 128eldx impact at ~2500fps. High lung shot, she went down in 3-4 seconds. Nice long wound cavity, with an exit. A thumbs up for me, 1 deer and 1 elk with 128eldx looking good so far. View attachment 972882View attachment 972883View attachment 972884

How are the Xs shooting compared to the Ms accuracy wise for you?

 

[eoperator]

How are the Xs shooting compared to the Ms accuracy wise for you?

They pound knot holes, but this barrel seems to shoot anything 128-131-133-134's very well.

319g7 worked well out to 900yrds on the revics.

 

[sierracharlie338]

They pound knot holes, but this barrel seems to shoot anything 128-131-133-134's very well.

319g7 worked well out to 900yrds on the revics.

What cartridge and rifle specs if you don’t mind?

 

[eoperator]

What cartridge and rifle specs if you don’t mind?

25/6.5prc vesper, brux 7.5t 20", rokstok, dd lti, lapua brass

 

[General RE LEE]

Is there a discernible difference in the recoil impulse of the 25 Creedmoor and the 6.5 Creedmoor? The 25 Creedmoor is intriguing on paper, but I think it might be a bit of data masturbation that is irrelevant in the field.

 

[MT_Wyatt]

Is there a discernible difference in the recoil impulse of the 25 Creedmoor and the 6.5 Creedmoor? The 25 Creedmoor is intriguing on paper, but I think it might be a bit of data masturbation that is irrelevant in the field.

I don’t know but Hornady did a pod comparing 22-6-25-65 creeds. They basically said inside of 600 the bc differences with the smaller ones were made up by speed compared with 6.5. The 25 they couched as an “all arounder” and best for balance of barrel life, ballistics etc so they pushed it as perfect match cartridge. Thats what stuck out to me anyways. Depending on bullet, 128 or 134 vs 140-147 in the 6.5, I’d just run them through a recoil calculator. Doubting there’s a ton of difference.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Is there a discernible difference in the recoil impulse of the 25 Creedmoor and the 6.5 Creedmoor? The 25 Creedmoor is intriguing on paper, but I think it might be a bit of data masturbation that is irrelevant in the field.

Recoil ratings are a lie in most cases IMO because every gun will recoil differently depending on how it’s built. I tend to shoot heavier guns which tend to have less felt recoil than a mountain style rifle.

I don’t shoot the 25 for recoil but rather because I love the 25 caliber and it gave me another excuse to build a new gun. Inside 600 yards, I believe, the shooter will be the difference in accuracy not the cartridge.

 

[nm.otter]

Recoil ratings are a lie in most cases IMO because every gun will recoil differently depending on how it’s built.

Of course -- but the math is still helpful when comparing cartridges. My sub-8-pound T3x is a handful shooting heavies in 6.5mm Creedmoor.

 

[cbuck516]

Is there a discernible difference in the recoil impulse of the 25 Creedmoor and the 6.5 Creedmoor? The 25 Creedmoor is intriguing on paper, but I think it might be a bit of data masturbation that is irrelevant in the field.

I’ve never done an apples to apples side by side comparison, but I think there is logic assuming that the heavy for caliber 0.257” bullets would recoil less than the heavy for caliber 6.5 bullets. I shoot the Berger 135gr in my 25CM and Berger 140gr in my 6.5CM. In that situation I can’t say I notice a difference in recoil, but I bet I could if I was shooting the Berger 153.5gr.

The bigger advantage for me with the 25 CM is the plethora of bullet options in the 80-110gr range for 0.257” bullets. If you want something in that weight range with the 6.5 your options are going to be more limited.

My suppressed 18” 1:7 25CM loads:
Berger 135gr w/ N150 36.6gr @2634fps
Hammer 107gr HBC w/N150 39.8gr 2970fps
Hammer 90gr AH w/ N150 42.6gr 3220fps

 

[sierracharlie338]

Of course -- but the math is still helpful when comparing cartridges. My sub-8-pound T3x is a handful shooting heavies in 6.5mm Creedmoor.

Agreed. I just put together a CTR 308 for my dad and shooting 168s was a chore and no where close to pleasurable. I lend this to the cheap plastic stock they use.

 

[longrangelead]

Of course -- but the math is still helpful when comparing cartridges. My sub-8-pound T3x is a handful shooting heavies in 6.5mm Creedmoor.

I was surprised to find the same with the Sauer 100 6.5 I came into.
I took it to S2H last June as my "big" rifle. I thought "it's just a 6.5, I can deal with the stock..."
It was a PITA compared to a Rokstok!
I cut a piece of pine to fit the stock parralel to bore and taped it to the bottom of the butt like the Rokstok is. Not fighting the butt driving back and down made it easier to control and more fun to shoot.

 

[nm.otter]

Mine is in an Oregunsmithing LRH -- massive improvement over the factory stock. I still dream of even less recoil.

 

[Quandary]

I have 250 145gr Black Hole bullets coming. I'll let you know how the felt recoil is. As it stands the 133 EHs in my 25AI out of an XLR Element 4.0 Magnesium chassis is hardly noticeable. However I also think the recoil of 147s out of my 6.5PRC in a Manners PH stock is not much.

 

[Kimber7man]

Ok, with Black Friday sales I’m going to order neck/shoulder bushings for SAC dies for my upcoming 25 builds.

25 creed using resized 1x fired Lapua 6creed brass.
25 PRC using new Lapua 6.5 PRC brass
Or
25-7PRC using new WTO headstamped ADG brass.

Anyone have real life neck diameters of loaded rounds for me to start with?

 

[CJ_BG]

The bigger advantage for me with the 25 CM is the plethora of bullet options in the 80-110gr range

If only we had a cartridge one caliber smaller that shot almost exclusively bullets in that range