Colorado senators recalled over gun law

[KMT]

It's nice two see that the people of Colorado Springs and Pueblo wanted senators who represent them, rather than senators who represent themselves.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/11/colorado-dems-face-historic-recall-over-gun-votes/

 

[JPD350]

+1, good job Colorado!

 

[NaturalJon]

It's very encouraging as a CO resident. This is going to be a long term battle, but it will have a major effect on future candidates and elections in this state.

 

[Shrek]

If the actual laws get repealed it would put Colorado back near the top of my list to move to. I hope to move in the next few years and the Denver area has plenty of jobs in my field.
What happened to recalling the governor who signed the legislation ? Wasn't there a recall effort for him also ?

 

[orionthehunter1]

two down many more to go

 

[Ironman8]

If the actual laws get repealed it would put Colorado back near the top of my list to move to. I hope to move in the next few years and the Denver area has plenty of jobs in my field.
What happened to recalling the governor who signed the legislation ? Wasn't there a recall effort for him also ?

This is almost exacly what I said in the other thread a few minutes ago...I'd like to be out west in two years if possible...get those laws overturned, CO!

 

[Curtis C]

If the actual laws get repealed it would put Colorado back near the top of my list to move to. I hope to move in the next few years and the Denver area has plenty of jobs in my field.
What happened to recalling the governor who signed the legislation ? Wasn't there a recall effort for him also ?

Do some research on which part of the Denver area you plan to move to. Denver city limits is an oppressive city when it comes to firearm rights.

As for the Governor that will likely be held off until the 2014 election cycle. What happened here over the last 6 months took a tremendous amount of work with little funds. Getting a volunteer base to recall the governor would be extremely difficult.

 

[Shrek]

Curtis C , any Denver metro area cities you would recommend ? With my mom battling cancer and my son starting college I'm not moving really soon but I'm doing my homework.

 

[MAT]

I don't mean to start a war, but everyone is missing the big picture, including the gun lobby. We need mental health care, but the right wing nuts that control the gun lobby won't support anything related to heath care. Actually we need a comprehensive health care system. Obamacare is a good start, certainly than the alternative. It takes a mentally ill person to shoot up a school, or theater. That's just ammo for the gun control lobby. Solve the real problem and we won't have to worry about them. But just like politics, you don't want to solve the problem as there's no money in that.

 

[Curtis C]

I don't mean to start a war, but everyone is missing the big picture, including the gun lobby. We need mental health care, but the right wing nuts that control the gun lobby won't support anything related to heath care. Actually we need a comprehensive health care system. Obamacare is a good start, certainly than the alternative. It takes a mentally ill person to shoot up a school, or theater. That's just ammo for the gun control lobby. Solve the real problem and we won't have to worry about them. But just like politics, you don't want to solve the problem as there's no money in that.

Last session Colorado Dems had a significant majority in the house and senate right along with a dem governor. They could have passed any law they wanted and they did. They(democrat majorities) chose gun control bills that matched almost word for word some NY laws over the real problem of mental health.

 

[Ironman8]

I don't mean to start a war, but everyone is missing the big picture, including the gun lobby. We need mental health care, but the right wing nuts that control the gun lobby won't support anything related to heath care. Actually we need a comprehensive health care system. Obamacare is a good start, certainly than the alternative. It takes a mentally ill person to shoot up a school, or theater. That's just ammo for the gun control lobby. Solve the real problem and we won't have to worry about them. But just like politics, you don't want to solve the problem as there's no money in that.

I don't want to turn this into a debate, but you're just wrong here. Yes there needs to be reform of the healthcare system (including mental healthcare) as well as the way insurance companies do business, and a handful of other things, but socialized medicine is absolutely the wrong way to reform it. It's also a VERY slippery slope trying to legislate a "prohibited persons" type of list when it comes to firearms (or really anything for that matter). So while it sounds good that we want to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, what happens when the doc wrongly prescribes a medicine to you (knowingly or not) that happens to be on that "prohibited list"? Do you lose your gun rights? I mean, doc knows best after all, right?

There's alot more questions than answers, and alot of really hard questions that need to be answered, but allowing the gov to control more than what is granted in the Constitution is absolutely not acceptable.

 

[MAT]

If health care reform doesn't cover everyone then there will never be a solution. If you don’t think we already have socialized health care your nuts. Who pays the bills when uninsured show up at an emergency room and don’t pay? You ever think that’s why or heath care costs are so high? We already pay for those who don’t have insurance, in many ways. One is with calls for more gun control. The other is via premiums. And it’s worse because they charge more for those w/o insurance than those with. How does that not make the situation worse?

Best way to control costs is to control health care. Sorry but the idea of insurance itself is very socialistic. Showing up at an ER room for 3 stiches is very expensive, but there are not many options for those w/o insurance. Make them follow the same rules we already have with who we can go see and where. And give them access to mental health care too. An ER is not an option for that, so what happens when these folks get desperate? This is not a left/right wing deal as the entire debate is very circular. We need an off-ramp and it’s not gun control. More of the same is not working.

 

[Darren Best]

Guys,

It doesn't matter how you try to solve the problem of what is wrong with these violent people and their desperate acts to get attention. The real problem is a small group of people who want to control the rest of us and taking our guns away makes sure they remain safe and we are unable to fight back while they do it.

The rise in violent crime by mentally unstable people is a direct result of liberal policies, they know this, it is merely one piece of their agenda to seize control.

Violence and mental health care aren't the real problems, they are just tools and symptoms, communists who look to strip of us our rights are the problem.

Crime is just the drum these people use to beat on as an excuse to do what they want to do to us.

 

[Curtis C]

Hey Folks, Lets keep this civil. Political threads often get nasty. Rokslide has been generous with the few that are here because they relate ever so slightly to hunting and because we have remained civil in them all.

 

[Rucker61]

Here's a great explanation of "why the recall" from David Kopel: http://www.volokh.com/2013/09/11/colorado-recalls-explained/

 

[UPnorth]

I don't mean to start a war, but everyone is missing the big picture, including the gun lobby. We need mental health care, but the right wing nuts that control the gun lobby won't support anything related to heath care. Actually we need a comprehensive health care system. Obamacare is a good start, certainly than the alternative. It takes a mentally ill person to shoot up a school, or theater. That's just ammo for the gun control lobby. Solve the real problem and we won't have to worry about them. But just like politics, you don't want to solve the problem as there's no money in that.

So let me get this straight. You don't want to "start a war", so you start things off by letting us all know we don't get it, proceed to describe the gun lobby as right wing nuts (or maybe only those that "control it"?), and then finish strong with a pitch for nationalized healthcare. Since you clearly are trying to start a war, perhaps you should start it on your own thread. Also, if you started to pay a little more attention to the right wing nuts in the gun lobby (e.g. the NRA), you may be surprised to hear the point about mental health care coming from them, too.

Back on topic: Thanks to all the CO residents who were involved with the recalls and/or voted. The news today put a little grin on my face for once. Keep up the good work!

 

[mtnwrunner]

Well, as a right wing nut, I am glad as hell that the senators were recalled. As someone else said, many more to go.

Randy

 

[bnsafe]

guess im a right wing nut job to, I believe in the constitution.

 

[manbearpig]

I too was happy to see the system (kind of) work forth people for once.

 

[Buckman]

Good job voters of Colorado. I am proud of you.