Kinda. I mean can I put in with an outfitter to increase my draw odds, without having him physically guiding me? Could I put in with an outfitter, get drawn and pay him a fee, like $500 or $1,000 for advice on how to hunt the unit and a map? Or just putting in with an outfitter, and paying him a fee if I get drawn. I'm not saying I would do this, or if it is morally wrong or not. I witnessed this in New Mexico about 20 years ago. I'm just curious if it's legal and/or a loophole and people are doing it.Are you asking that if you put in with an outfitter so you can have better hunt draw odds? If so yes Nevada allows that in any unit that has an outfitter.
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Kinda. I mean can I put in with an outfitter to increase my draw odds, without having him physically guiding me? Could I put in with an outfitter, get drawn and pay him a fee, like $500 or $1,000 for advice on how to hunt the unit and a map? Or just putting in with an outfitter, and paying him a fee if I get drawn. I'm not saying I would do this, or if it is morally wrong or not. I witnessed this in New Mexico about 20 years ago. I'm just curious if it's legal and/or a loophole and people are doing it.
Thanks! What do other states with outfitter draws like Idaho have in their regs regarding this?From the NM game and fish web site:
“New Mexico’s special drawing pool allocates up to 10% of all available big-game licenses for each hunt code. To apply in the 10% special drawing pool, a “New Mexico Outfitter” shall execute a written contract with each special drawing pool applicant. Contracts must be signed and dated by all parties prior to application for any special drawing pool license. It is unlawful for an outfitter or guide to contract with themselves or to guide themselves using a special drawing pool license. A “New Mexico Outfitter” may release a contracted hunter-client to another “New Mexico Outfitter” provided that the original contract was valid, in place prior to the application deadline and only if it is mutually agreed upon and signed by all parties.
A “New Mexico Outfitter” shall ensure that each hunter-client who obtains a license through the 10% special drawing pool is accompanied by the outfitter or their registered guide for at least two days during the contracted dates of the hunt in the area where the hunter-client’s license is valid. Accompanied shall mean that the outfitter or their registered guide physically escorts the hunter-client in the field during the hunter-client’s license hunt dates.
A hunter-client who obtains a license through the 10% special drawing pool, and chooses to hunt beyond their contracted hunt dates must carry a copy of the contract while hunting if it had not been submitted electronically to the registrar at least 48 hours prior to the scheduled hunt. It is unlawful to hunt with a license obtained through the 10% special drawing pool without being accompanied by, and contracted with, a “New Mexico Outfitter” or their guide for at least two days during the hunt.”
Before this law was written, you only had to have contact with the guide around the time of the hunt but did not have to be accompanied by them during the hunt (like a drop camp situation like Robby mentioned).
At that time, the outfitter pool was also 10% if tags just for non residents (and 12% for non-residents without a guide). Now it is open to both residents and non-residents.
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I'm not a guide or a businessman. However, if you had an outfitting license valid for an entire state, or multiple states and you subcontracted lots of guides to guide your clients, you could make a lot of money charging clients who don't want to hire a guide, but are happy to pay a grand or more for a general map and increased draw odds. You'd have to have a big area, and would want to sell extremely detailed info that create too much competition for your sub outfitters.Agree with ID brad. It wouldn’t make sense to sell info that wasn’t the same price as the guided hunt. Unless there isn’t the demand for it.