What is missing? Todays Hunting Films/Content

[Predator_SD]

I watch ZERO hunting content on Youtube, none. I’d rather be hunting than watching some kid half my age hunt. Watching tv in general is a waste of time.

 

[kuiuaddict]

Don't make content to sell advertising

 

[idelkslayer]

So lets say hypothetically... someone made a hunting film that revolved around honoring their dad who passed away in a tragic accident, who was an avid hunter and had a huge impact on the person. That someone decides to share it because it might positively impact others outside of their immediate circle. They are obviously a narcissist, delusional and really just wanting to feed their inflated ego because nobody can have motives other than self promotion right?

Even in a situation like that there is an element of "look at me I'm special because life happened to me, but in a uniquely meaningful way that is different than everyone else, so let me tell you about it".

 

[IBen]

Online Forums, youtube, instagram, magazines, books, etc are all media. And if they are about Hunting then they are hunting media.

I find it funny how people can rack up 2000 posts on a forum (that promotes hunting) furthering the forums reach and revenue from ads but with those same fingers criticize another form of media that does the same thing.

 

[SDHNTR]

Online Forums, youtube, instagram, magazines, books, etc are all media. And if they are about Hunting then they are hunting media.

I find it funny how people can rack up 2000 posts on a forum (that promotes hunting) furthering the forums reach and revenue from ads but with those same fingers criticize another form of media that does the same thing.

Because it’s not the same thing.

 

[IBen]

Because it’s not the same thing.

Yes it is. Hunting media is hunting media and you are a consumer and producer of it mr 7,363.

 

[Alder_]

All that stupid bullshit should just go away and everyone who enjoys hunting would be the better for it.

Stop filming and being dbags. Just go hunt.

 

[Harronek]

I like shows that introduce you to different types of hunting/environments and the characters that they meet on that journey.
To many make it all about themselves. The ones that show you the little interactions along the way with random people and situations not directly associated with the “ kill “ are my favourites.
The “ hard sell “trap that many fall into in regards too merchandise/ sponsors etc wears thin in my opinion.
If you really like the show/ person then you will recognise and research the gear and equipment they are using .
It’s the more genuine and real world honest accounts of the hunt that get my attention……

 

[Hnthrdr]

So lets say hypothetically... someone made a hunting film that revolved around honoring their dad who passed away in a tragic accident, who was an avid hunter and had a huge impact on the person. That someone decides to share it because it might positively impact others outside of their immediate circle. They are obviously a narcissist, delusional and really just wanting to feed their inflated ego because nobody can have motives other than self promotion right?

Why does this have to be made or shared on the web? Is it helping that person grieve? What is the end goal? I have seen plenty of heart string type content. I used to consume a ton up until about 4 years ago when i realized me watching some shmuck hunt my state or neighboring states was actively making it harder on myself to draw tags. Also dead and dying animals should be somewhat of a personal thing and don’t need to be offered up to the World Wide Web for likes or adoration or sponsors or whatever… and yes I whole heartedly support hunt quietly… Matt has a hell of a backbone for speaking out about what mega social media is doing to our lifestyle.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Online Forums, youtube, instagram, magazines, books, etc are all media. And if they are about Hunting then they are hunting media.

I find it funny how people can rack up 2000 posts on a forum (that promotes hunting) furthering the forums reach and revenue from ads but with those same fingers criticize another form of media that does the same thing.

I somewhat agree… this is my only form of “social media” no insta or facebook or whatever. This forum or hunting forums in general (especially this one) which doesn’t promote spot burning seem less harmful than the rest, lots of gear testing/ talk caliber debates, tactics ect… pictures are shared among like minded individuals not blasted to the masses… buying and selling gear here is nice as well. But yes there is probably some detriment to even using this…

 

[IBen]

I somewhat agree… this is my only form of “social media” no insta or facebook or whatever. This forum or hunting forums in general (especially this one) which doesn’t promote spot burning seem less harmful than the rest, lots of gear testing/ talk caliber debates, tactics ect… pictures are shared among like minded individuals not blasted to the masses… buying and selling gear here is nice as well. But yes there is probably some detriment to even using this…

You can argue that rock slide has a higher “turnover rate” than yt or instagram.
I’m with you I don’t like it either but using social media to criticize another form of social media is hypocritical.
All of our posts at the end of the day are content and it’s content that people consume and advertisers advertise on the site just like they do YouTube.

This site is much more productive than scrolling for sure.

 

[SDHNTR]

Yes it is. Hunting media is hunting media and you are a consumer and producer of it mr 7,363.

Not even close. I know several dozen hunters, if not, triple digits. I can count the members here I know on one hand. Most have never even heard of Rokslide. Yet every one of them consumes some YT, FB/IG. How many active member are there here? I don’t even know, but it pales in comparison to Randy Newberg’s/Meateaters/goHunt et al’s millions upon millions of followers.

And no one here is telling their legions of followers how to apply in every western state, how to, where to, directly destroying odds for those who really put in the work. Not to mention the spot burning. Dude, it’s not even close to the same thing.

You are comparing a comic book to War and Peace.

 

[wapitibob]

Before you decide to post that youtube video, ask yourself one question; what's the upside?

I have no issue with posting hunts, I just watched a real nice one from Jordan Budd; It's the cringe worthy stuff that tends to baffle me. I've heard the "need to show it all as it happens" nonsense but it's just that, nonsense. Yea, things happen, there's just no need to publish it.

An example that will stick with me forever, what the hell was the point of showing this gawd awful cluster shag to the masses? If there's an upside to showing this to 135,000 people I'd sure like this guy to tell me what it was.

 

[IBen]

Not even close. I know several dozen hunters, if not, triple digits. I can count the members here I know on one hand. Most have never even heard of Rokslide. Yet every one of them consumes some YT, FB/IG. How many active member are there here? I don’t even know, but it pales in comparison to Randy Newberg’s/Meateaters/goHunt et al’s millions upon millions of followers.

And no one here is telling their legions of followers how to apply in every western state, how to, where to, directly destroying odds for those who really put in the work. Not to mention the spot burning. Dude, it’s not even close to the same thing.

You are comparing a comic book to War and Peace.

You’re missing the point.
Comic book and war and peace are both in the same category of media just different genres.
Don't really have much else to say about the issue just want you to be aware you are using social media (this forum) to criticize social media and I see it as hypocritical. Not as hypocritical as gohunt employees publicly complaining about overcrowding though

 

[woods89]

You’re missing the point.
Comic book and war and peace are both in the same category of media just different genres.
Don't really have much else to say about the issue just want you to be aware you are using social media (this forum) to criticize social media and I see it as hypocritical. Not as hypocritical as gohunt employees publicly complaining about overcrowding though

I mean, do you think it's hypocritical to use ibuprofen and be concerned about fentanyl? They're both just drugs, after all .......

 

[IBen]

I mean, do you think it's hypocritical to use one form of social media and be concerned about another form of social media? They're both just hunting media, after all .......

Fify.
did you update your Rokslide profle status today?

 

[Jake Larsen]

Fify.
did you update your Rokslide profle status today?

Technically they’re both forms of social media, that is true. That’s where the similarities end.

If you’re really trying to conflate Rokslide with YouTube hunting videos, you’ve lost me there. Can you truly make a good faith argument that a single Rokslide user has the same or similar impact as someone producing hunting films for YouTube?? A potential Rokslide poster and a potential YouTube creator could theoretically have the most pure individual motivations, and the impact would be very different. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with somebody who makes and posts a video for their own enjoyment, and the enjoyment of their friends. The problem is, we’ve learned to look at this content through a very different lens. Most people now understand the concept of the “Attention Economy”

The question was asked right at the beginning - “What’s missing, how do I make films that resonate with more people?” We’re reading that as - “How do I get more eyeballs? More engagement? And that’s the rub; because most people now understand that eyeballs = money. In the form of monetized videos, sponsors, ect. That’s why the motivations of any of these content creators immediately comes into question. WHY are they doing it?? The waters get muddied pretty fast. At what point are they leveraging public resources for their own interests, and the expense of the resource itself and the rest of us? The more eyeballs, attention, engagement they get on their content, the more money they make, and the more pressure they put on the resource as a result.

Personally, I can watch a cool video and enjoy it, while also recognizing that the platform is an overall net negative


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[woods89]

Fify.
did you update your Rokslide profle status today?

Isn't this kind of dodging the question?

I feel like there are a lot of things that at some level are acceptable and at a greater level not. Forums are old tech, and there's no algorithm here. I think it's perfectly legitimate to say that forums provide only a fraction of the harms that the hunting content industry does.

It's also true that I am cautious about how I use forums. I try to be very aware of spot burning, and only speak very generally about locations.

 

[lang]

OP I'm kinda in the same boat. I couldn't get enough elk content as a kid. I am the only one I know that would sit with a paper and pen trying to figure out the perfect recipe of bugles and cow calls while watching Primos. I actually attempted tying a high 8 camcorder to a pack frame in an attempt to get footage 30 years ago. I have always wanted to share part of what brings me some of my happiest times in this life. I can't get enough of the full draw kinda of stuff. Great footage (usually!) and a good story to boot. Never watered down. My daughter has gotten into hunting in part because she has come every year with me to Full Draw Tour since she was 10! In 2020 she got her first big game animal a bear with a muzzleloader and I was able to film the whole thing. It was a priceless experience that I will always treasure being able to relive. Showing potential boyfriends is a bonus too.
I probably look at hunts online in a little different lens having attempted it with my very limited budget, and a young family with multiple health issues. I can appreciate the work and effort that hunters go into sharing a hunt. Its a pretty vulnerable thing to do if you have ever read comments. But I see us as brothers and sisters going through life in differing yet similar journeys. I have gone to a tried and true spot and found more trucks than elk in an area seen on the Full Draw Tour, but as much as I hate getting to a trail head with a crowd already there, I can't bemoan anyone trying to get outdoors and enjoy what we have! I feel like celebrating any cool experience anyone has. And yes there is lots of "content" that is painful to watch, doesn't give any education, or any satisfaction visually or audibly! But then you find one that hits home and strikes a cord and invites you into that world for a moment. I have sacrificed my own season to just follow friends in good units because I love being with great people in woods and like to share what we find. Filming is never our priority and I will never make a penny off what I produce, but I know my friends and family appreciate that I put the effort in to share it. It gives me lots of time all winter to relive all the feels from fall. My buddies give me grief all the time saying I'd rather be behind the camera than the bow. I have put a couple hunts online and love the process of editing footage. There's a creative side to it that can be incredibly exhaustive and full filling. There is a creative side to men that doesn't get enough attention if you've read Wild at Heart by John Eldridge you'll understand. Filming and editing hunts has helped me on my own journey in life.

 

[EJFS]

All this hate for social media influencers is really feeding my soul today y'all, thank you!

It took me a while to figure out what about hunting promotion/media I dislike so much, but I think it comes down to this... Making money off of hunting and the killing of wildlife is antithetical to the North American Model.

Now this might be too far for most people, but I am against outfitting and guiding for the same reason.