ok i guess i have to say something about all the groups. think that every group trying to help wildlife is a good thing. i think some groups are doing a better job at helping wildlife than others. each one of us should be dedicated to helping out wildlife also. each of us should affiliate with the group or groups of our choice and put sincere effort into helping where we can. i wish there was a group out there that everyone could unite behind, because, as someone said, a house divided can not stand. but since we all want to help wildlife, we should concentrate our efforts on doing good, instead of tearing others groups down. if you are helping and participating with some group helping wildlife, GREAT. if you are not helping out, then you should have no voice until you do. if you are helping, then concentrate your efforts in a positive direction. all this tearing down of others is counter productive to the effort to help wildlife. let's be supportive of everyone and try to continually improve the way we do things. outdoorsmen need to help wildlife as a strong group, not as a bunch of fragmented groups fighting each other. we have to be strong and positive to fight the tough fights in our future. i say look for the good in everyone and try to improve things. lets keep this forum positive