Anti Hunting update....

[Beendare]

We can't just go about our sport anymore with our heads in the sand, strong forces against us.....

HSUS [Humane society] has introduced legislation to ban traditional ammo. THEY FIGURED IT OUT, THEY CANNOT FIGHT THE 2ND AMENDMENT DIRECTLY[RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS] ...SO THEY CHIP AWAY AT THE FRINGES- AMMO, REGISTRATIONS, BANNING CERTAIN TYPES OF WEAPONS, RESTRICTIONS, ETC

From SCI link;The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) along with 16 other organizations and individuals have filed a formal petition requesting that the Department of the Interior (DOI) to ban the use of traditional ammunition. This petition, if adopted by DOI, would ban traditional ammo on hundreds of millions of acres where you can hunt on public lands. SCI needs you to help protect our hunting heritage. Call the Department of the Interior today at (202) 208-3100 and tell them to reject this petition. [full text at link]
http://firstforhunters.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/hsus-continues-anti-hunting-agenda-seeks-to-ban-traditional-ammunition/

 

[JWP58]

So you're saying they want to make the entire U.S. like California?

 

[Beendare]

Heres another one, Bill proposed in Ca to make getting ammo so difficult and so expensive- it essentially end around the second amendment- brilliant strategy against a bunch of sportsmen that refuse to join a sportsmans rights org like SCI, call their representative.....or even pay attention to what is going on.

[ for the record, I don't want to deal with this BS either- I just want to hunt...but we have to get involved- to preserve our hunting heritige for the young guys and our kids]


Short summary;
SB 53 (de Leon) Ammunition: purchase permits – would require that anyone who purchases ammunition, with some exceptions, first be authorized by the State Department of Justice to do so. A fee would be charged for the authorization which requires passage of a background check. Authorization would be valid for two years after which it would have to be renewed.

This would apply to all ammunition and would reinstate the following provisions of law that were previously enacted but did not take effect because of a court ruling that the definition of handgun ammunition used was unconstitutionally vague: 1) Ammunition sales could only be made in a “face to face” transaction, thus making internet and mail order ammunition sales illegal; 2) The vendor would have to record personal information about the purchaser, including obtaining a signature and thumbprint, and 3) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition purchased would be recorded for each transaction. The purchaser would then be checked by the Department of Justice to determine if he or she is prohibited from owning firearms and ammunition.

SB 53 would apply to all ammunition (rifle, shotgun, and handgun), including hunting ammunition. Ammunition offered for sale could not be on display in a location that is accessible to customers without the assistance of the vendor or a vendor employee. Ammunition vendors would have to obtain an ammunition vendor license from the Department of Justice.
http://firstforhunters.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/california-action-alert-ammunition-registration/

 

[tstowater]

The anti's have a friendly ear in CA and the momentum will grow unless all hunters and gun owners get involved. As has been said before, SCI and the NRA are likely the 2 leading organizations looking out for hunter and gun owner rights. Like these organizations or not and like the politics or not, you do need to make the choice to be involved (financially and time) or wonder what bus ran you over when you can't hunt or own guns. This can happen to you. I'm not trying to scare people, but just make them appreciate the importance of these issues.

 

[Beendare]

All of the guys that laughed off the crazyness in Ca- now they are using the ban of lead ammo as a president for FEDERAL LAW- thats nationwide.

Time to stand up and be heard on this...

 

[realunlucky]

They are targeting liberal states with high electoral votes to get a national platform. Remember we now have no political contributions limits it will change who has a voice in this country

 

[dotman]

It's funny how threads about Muck boots giving money to HSUS go viral but yet threads stating that sportsman need to fight and support orgs like SCI hardly ever get any traction. I'm a proud supporter of SCI, RMEF and BHA. I hope others start to recognize the need for their support of these orgs has never been greater if you truly want to preserve a culture that includes hunting.

I get that not all orgs will have 100% of everyone's interests met but they all fight for our main interest.

 

[jmez]

They are targeting liberal states with high electoral votes to get a national platform. Remember we now have no political contributions limits it will change who has a voice in this country

The voice in this country hasn't changed since it was founded. Always has and always will be governed by the Golden Rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

 

[Beendare]

Good post Dotman

Jmez is exactly right.

To add to that, its important to remember how our system operates; A longtime Senator like Harry Reid develops so much power over all of the other senators...if a bill comes up he doesn't like....he kills it- done. It doesn't matter if its right for the country...it has to be right for Harry politically! The power base with these long time politicians becomes corrupted more to "Political Agendas" than to the wishes of the people. The only way for the citizens to take back our gov is to vote them all out- all of them, every time...taking away the power corrupts syndrome. Its how our gov was intended to operate.

But then we have to actually vote....and I bet dollars to doughnuts over 1/2 the guys on this forum don't vote every election.....

just watch...this thread will go away in a couple days when the 'Which pack' threads will go on for miles......

 

[realunlucky]

What changing is the amount of money that comes in from the outside now. Look at Colorado majority of residents are fairly conservative but politics defiantly leaned the other way. Most people are to lazy to educate themselves on any issue, all you need is the tv ad to tell them what to do. Sounds stupid but its usually that simple

 

[Beendare]

Yep, and not only are the anti hunters throwing their money at it but they vote...and are very well organized- plus the main stream media/ celebrities love them.

HSUS is a hundred million dollar org that gives 1% to animal shelters......the bulk of the rest goes to fighting hunters, ranchers and farmers.
Their president Wayne Pacelle says they are going to use the voting box to get rid of hunting......an they are following through.

Great website that has some really funny ads about the humane society- humanewatch.org

you may not know; Lois Lerner [the IRS head that was caught attacking conservative org's] stonewalled a congressional investigation into HSUS...as she was an active member.

 

[Beendare]

Lawsuit filed by SCI

Dear Governmental Affairs Committee and Legal Task Force:

Safari Club International yesterday filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the California law that bans the importation, transportation, and possession of mountain lions hunted outside of California. This law, enacted in 1990 through a voter initiative, has discouraged hunters in California from hunting mountain lions in others states and countries. SCI’s members in California and surrounding states strongly encouraged SCI to challenge this misguided ban.

SCI’s main claims are that the import/possession ban violates the U.S. Constitution’s Commerce Clause and Equal Protection Clause. The ban both infringes on interstate commerce and discriminates against hunters who wish to import mountain lions as compared to hunters of other non-protected wildlife.

SCI filed its lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California (Sacramento). The two defendants are the California Attorney General Kamala Harris and the Director of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife Charlton Bonham. Legal Task Force member Linda Linton is serving as SCI’s local counsel in the case. Please contact me or Anna if you have any questions.

Thank you.
Douglas S. Burdin, Esq.
Litigation Counsel
Safari Club International
501 Second Street, NE
Washington, D.C. 20002
202-543-8733
fax-202-543-1205
[email protected]

 

[quackaddict]

Good post Dotman

Jmez is exactly right.

To add to that, its important to remember how our system operates; A longtime Senator like Harry Reid develops so much power over all of the other senators...if a bill comes up he doesn't like....he kills it- done. It doesn't matter if its right for the country...it has to be right for Harry politically! The power base with these long time politicians becomes corrupted more to "Political Agendas" than to the wishes of the people. The only way for the citizens to take back our gov is to vote them all out- all of them, every time...taking away the power corrupts syndrome. Its how our gov was intended to operate.

But then we have to actually vote....and I bet dollars to doughnuts over 1/2 the guys on this forum don't vote every election.....

just watch...this thread will go away in a couple days when the 'Which pack' threads will go on for miles......

Spot on. This is a prime example of why term limits and the two-party system need to go.

 

[_Nick_]

Dear Governmental Affairs Committee and Legal Task Force:

Safari Club International yesterday filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the California law that bans the importation, transportation, and possession of mountain lions hunted outside of California. This law, enacted in 1990 through a voter initiative, has discouraged hunters in California from hunting mountain lions in others states and countries. SCI’s members in California and surrounding states strongly encouraged SCI to challenge this misguided ban.

SCI’s main claims are that the import/possession ban violates the U.S. Constitution’s Commerce Clause and Equal Protection Clause. The ban both infringes on interstate commerce and discriminates against hunters who wish to import mountain lions as compared to hunters of other non-protected wildlife.

SCI filed its lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California (Sacramento). The two defendants are the California Attorney General Kamala Harris and the Director of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife Charlton Bonham. Legal Task Force member Linda Linton is serving as SCI’s local counsel in the case. Please contact me or Anna if you have any questions.

Thank you.
Douglas S. Burdin, Esq.
Litigation Counsel
Safari Club International
501 Second Street, NE
Washington, D.C. 20002
202-543-8733
fax-202-543-1205
[email protected]

So, the question I have... if the court finds the ban on possession of cougar parts unconstitutional, will that lead to an overturning of prop 117 (that also bans hunting cougars in CA)?

 

[Beendare]

So, the question I have... if the court finds the ban on possession of cougar parts unconstitutional, will that lead to an overturning of prop 117 (that also bans hunting cougars in CA)?

Doubt it- the only thing that will overturn that is when a couple kids get eaten- sad but true


The F&G is working OT to prevent that; dog man in Ca foothills has killed 37 problem lions in the last 2 years for them. Another buddy whose dad has a ranch up above Vacaville told of 22 lions being killed in one long canyon on a couple ranches up there. Lions are way overpopulated in Ca- but the F&G sure doesn't want that getting out- a pic got out of the lion killed off my buddies place[15 min after the hound guy hit his driveway] in the foothills and the GW had a fit. Shush, theres no lion problem here.....

 

[_Nick_]

Doubt it- the only thing that will overturn that is when a couple kids get eaten- sad but true


The F&G is working OT to prevent that; dog man in Ca foothills has killed 37 problem lions in the last 2 years for them. Another buddy whose dad has a ranch up above Vacaville told of 22 lions being killed in one long canyon on a couple ranches up there. Lions are way overpopulated in Ca- but the F&G sure doesn't want that getting out- a pic got out of the lion killed off my buddies place[15 min after the hound guy hit his driveway] in the foothills and the GW had a fit. Shush, theres no lion problem here.....

Heh, there's lots of lion hunting going on in the state... just by people that the state has to pay to hunt them, eh? Interesting set up. I certainly see my fair share of cougar sign down south here.