Layering question, frustrated, PA

caddis75

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So, this is only my second deer season and my layering is all out of wack. I flyfish year -round, so this shouldn't be this hard, but it is, and I was wondering if I could ask for some advice for the following weather. I listed what I have below. What could I use, what should I consider selling, and what do I need? My budget is somewhere around $300. I do not have to fix all of this, this year. I am probably overthinking it, but for some reason, all of last season and the start of this season I am usually too cold in the stand and occasionally too hot walking around.

I have fly-fished for decades, and here is my fall/winter set up: midweight thermals, heavy socks, heater packets in my feet, fleece sweats, waders, wicking underwear, Blue REI t-shirt, long-sleeve lightweight baselayer, 1/4 zip fleece top, puffy coat, fleece beanie, and frogg togg raincoat if needed. That has worked well down to the '20s in a snowstorm in Yellowstone. Yet, I can't seem to transition this kit to hunting.

What I need this for:
Archery: (Mostly tree stand hunting in Central PA)
1. Next two weeks- high mid 60's, low 40's.
2. Mid October through mid -November, high 50's, low 30's

Rifle, if needed. (Mostly stand hunting in Central PA)
3. Late November, high 30's, low 20's

Late Archery if needed. (Mostly stand hunting in Central PA)
4. mid 30's, low 20's

Here is all the camo I have:
1. A L/S T-shirt, from redhead
2. Kuiu Attack Pants
3. Kuiu Peloton 97
4. Cabelas Strata Glove/Mitt combo

Here are my baselayers:
5. Midweight duo fold, blue
6. Fleece wader sweatpants, black
7. Cabela's lightweight top, grey
8. Decathalon midweight 1/4 zip fleece, black
9. Ex officio boxer briefs
10. A Mix of wool socks
11. An REI t-shirt, blue

Here is my non-camo outerwear:
1. Frogg Togg rain jacket- Blue
2. Barbour Beaufort- Olive, with an insulated vest ( I use it for work, but man is it sturdy.)
3. Decathalon Black Puffy hoody Jacket
4. Light blue fleece beanie

Here is my orange stuff for Rifle:
Orange Carhart wool hat
Orange vest
Orange ball caps

Thank you.
 

KMW

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I hunt PA as well. Here is my layering system that works for me. I basically use the same system all season and just take off or add layers based on temp and activity level.

Top
-Mid-weight merino top
-Mid-weight fleece quarter zip
-Flannel
-Guide Vest (windproof)
-Synthetic puffy (insulation)
-Rain shell (if necessary)

Bottom
-Mid-weight merino bottoms
-Attack Pants (Over 40 degrees)
-Guide Pants (Under 40 degrees)
-Rain pants (if necessary)

I sweat no matter what I'm wearing if I hike any distance, so I don't have any good advice for staying cool other than wear as little as possible when moving and pack the rest.

I have a pair of synthetic puffy pants that I throw in the mix if it's below 30 for a high. For the most part, I walk to the tree in just my outer layer pants and merino top, then layer up at the tree. I highly recommend zip-off bottom base layers. Both my merino and puffy bottoms are zip off and I will hike to my tree, drop my outer pants and put the base layers on without having to remove my boots. They are easy to remove then when going from stationary to mobile as well.

My biggest issue is keeping my feet warm on stand. My feet sweat as soon as I start walking. I started wearing lightweight socks to walk in then swapping those out for a dry pair of heavier merino socks at the base of the tree before climbing up, but that's a real pain...this year I am going to try Arctic Shield Boot covers with a hand warmer thrown in.

A big help keeping warm on stand is a fleece beanie and neck gaiter that you can pull up over your face and breathe into...makes a big difference for me anyway.

This is what works for me...hope you might find it helpful.
 

PMcGee

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You’re probably wearing to much on your way in. Unless it’s very cold I’ll walk in with shorts or just my base layers. Then I get dressed when I get to my tree. Make sure to put dry socks on. Arctic shield boot blankets with a hand warmer in each keeps my feet warm. My boots aren’t insulated. Throw a hand warmer your neck gaiter if it’s cold. My layering system isn’t much different then yours. I do have some predator fleece I wear when it’s below 40. I sat all day last year in November and it was 14 degrees in the morning highs were in the 20’s and i was pretty comfortable. I also take my stove and make something warm mid day.


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caddis75

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So, I was thinking, from fly fishing, I have a lot of layers, but never really needed a bottom outer layer (waders covered that) and didn't really like a windproof upper layer as all that casting makes me warm up. Sitting still is very different. What about the first lite corrugate series as an outer wind and rain layer?
 

Pawvbow

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The best thing I’ve learned to do , that most of the guys I hunt with don’t do, is whether it’s 60 degrees or 5 degrees I wear only a long sleeve T-shirt and a light pair of pants hiking in and carry the rest in a pack.When I get close to my stand I’ll take the shirt off and put in a plastic bag. Also as mentioned I wear light socks and a light boot but then put on the arctic shield boot blankets , which I used last year for the first time and absolutely love, ill put a hand warmer on top of the toe of my boot and slide boot into boot blanket. I may look like a fool carrying a pack that is normally used for western hunts but I’m able to set all day and be comfortable.
 

Billy Goat

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FL corrugate isn't very warm at all. I don't think it's going to do much for you. I have the FL unpronounceable set, I carry it and will zip it on over what I'm wearing, it's pretty warm. I won't wear it around, one thorn would shred it. I just put it on while sitting.

In all honesty for $300 I'd get an iwom. You aren't going to get cold in that, it's a little heavy to carry. I don't know how far your hiking in, you could wear shorts and a tee shirt in 45 degree weather and get in an iwom and not even need to zip it up.

Biggest thing is making sure you don't get too wet from sweat while walking in. That's going to make it hard to fight the cold off. Wear as little as possible walking in. If going very far and you can't help but sweat consider changing clothes. Put what you had on in a trash bag to hide the scent.
 

coyotecreek

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Slow down your walk to the stand. I try to get there plenty early and just take my time going in. I'll stop often and wait 30 seconds before moving again. Trying to walk like a deer. It's stealthier and you won't work up a sweat on the way in.
 

Rich M

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Gonna be hunting in another week or so - supposed to be lows 40s and highs mid 60s. Nice hunting weather.

Basically, be wearing jeans, cabelas ultimax socks, rubber boots, long sleeve T shirt, maybe flannel or long john/sweat shirt top, fleece jacket, fleece beanie, gloves. 1/ 2 mile walk to stand, so I try to walk in without outer layers, to keep sweating down. Then once in stand and cooled down, will put on flannel/long john top, then when get cool , will add fleece jacket (single layer).

Seems like you have plenty of stuff. I'd think about a pair of insulated bibs and maybe boot covers for cold weather hunting.
 
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jakelogsdon

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This has been a life saver for me when all else has failed. If it gets really cold I just drop a handwarmer in them. pack them in in your bag, when you get set up, put them over your boots before your feet get cold.
 

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I hunt MN and the Dakotas a lot late season MZ and Archer. BIBS...get a good set of bibs and pull them over everything including your jacket.

Also, If your feet are an issue at all. When you get in the stand loosen up your boots or get the boot slipper things and pull them over your boots after loosening.

Forget most of the KUIU, FIrst light stuff IMO. I have some of it and I have even ditched most of it for backpack hunting as it is designed for. Honestly I hunt a lot in merino base layers and wrangler insulated Jeans and pull bibs over.

As stated above go with as little on as you can and layer up once at the base of the tree. For stand hunting you still can not convince me anything is as good as a good quality set of wool.
 
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