New Forest Service Plan- good?

robby denning

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Received this from B&C this morning. It sounds good to me. Am I missing anything here? With all the wildfires the last 20 years, I think it's time to try something different...

Boone and Crockett Club; Passage of Resilient Federal Forests Act, Long Overdue Step in the Right Direction

Wednesday, November 01, 2017

The group behind the creation of our national forest system - the Boone and Crockett Club - applauds Congressman Bruce Westerman (R-AR), Chairman Rob Bishop (R-UT) and the House of Representatives for passing H.R. 2936, the Resilient Federal Forests Act of 2017. The bill was introduced by Rep. Westerman and benefited from the bipartisan support of 232 Representatives and 25 national hunting and sportsmen's organizations.

The new bill will strengthen the Forest Service's ability to improve forest habitat for big game, game birds, and other wildlife while fixing the funding woes for fighting wildfires. Additionally, the bill creates new authorities for active management to restore the health of federal forests and local communities. The legislation builds on the Healthy Forests Restoration Act and the 2014 Farm Bill to speed projects from planning to execution, better fund the process, and strengthen collaborative support for beneficial and necessary projects that continually face the threat of being bogged down in litigation.

"Each year, we see the management budget of the Forest Service depleted by increasingly larger and more devastating wildfires," said Ben B. Hollingsworth Jr., president of the Boone and Crockett Club. "In the worse cases, up to 53 percent of the annual budget is used for putting out these fires. This leaves no funding for the important work of fire prevention, which keeps fire events small and more contained. Part of this new bill will allow the Forest Service to tap into disaster funds while maintaining their annual budget for fire prevention. This will not only help reduce devastating wildfires, but also create healthier forests that wildlife depend on and where people recreate."

Just this week Montana Congressman Greg Gianforte, co-sponsor of HR 2936, hosted Congressman Westerman to view projects and fire damage in the state, where 2017 wildfires scorched some 1.2 million acres.

The Resilient Federal Forests Act of 2017 also seeks to streamline the Forest Service's ability to carry out multiple forest health projects of the same kind based on a single environmental analysis rather than having to repeat the analysis each time a project is proposed. It will also expand the Good Neighbor Authority to increase partnerships with the states for watershed protection and restoration.

"Another positive gained from this bill is a reduction in superfluous litigation that only seek to derail positive conservation efforts through time-consuming litigation," said Hollingsworth. "Overall, this bill is a positive step for improved and more productive management of our federal forests, something we know how to do, but have had a hard time doing. We certainly hope this new bill now passes the Senate with the same sense of urgency shown by the House."
 

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I know that RMEF was in support of it. I didn't see anything that threw red flags.
 

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This is the first I've heard of it but if it's as good as it sounds I'm absolutely shocked that Rob Bishop was involved. The fact that he is involved has me a little leary that there is a hidden gotcha in there for public lands.

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This is the first I’ve heard of it, and reading it sounds good. I thought for sure the governments plan was gonna be to insure the lands through AIG ;-) I guess it all comes down to what the plan of action actually is, whose performing said actions, and whose supervising progress. Sounds good though glad to see their trying something new.


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Rob Bishop is probably the foremost politician trying to get rid of public lands. He typically tries to pass legislation that does damage to how public lands are managed so he has more leverage to open them up to development.

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Looks good, but one better look at the fine print if it Rob Bishop's involved. He's bought & paid for by the Koch brothers
 

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I'm scared of the Bishop connection as well.

If the fire funding is fixed/improved thats a good thing, but I am a little leery that the "improving forest health" is simply code for cut down lots of trees.
 

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I'm scared of the Bishop connection as well.

If the fire funding is fixed/improved thats a good thing, but I am a little leery that the "improving forest health" is simply code for cut down lots of trees.

I'm for increasing timber cutting on USFS and BLM lands. This will create way better forest health and habitat for wildlife.
 
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Nailed it. Improving forest health is code for opening up more land to timber companies. It doesn't privitize it yet, but gets it one step closer. That's where the Rob Bishop connection comes in. Raul Labrador from Idaho will be right next to Rob Bishop spurring that timber land to become private eventually. I don't trust anything these two individuals endorse as far as public lands are concerned.
 
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sounds great to me and if they can actually take the handcuffs off of the logging operation that would be huge.. The forest service was actually a business at one time believe it or not. They should be making the government money not costing it. Its simple all of these forest fires would be nothing if they did selective logging and made the ground cover clean with prescribed burns. Wood makes money plain and simple and the forest service owns a lot to cover yearly costs and still have surplus without depleting the forest.
 
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If the timber is actually managed responsibly then it could be good. The FS could actually hire more Forest Techs and Foresters that are not always tied to fire. Hopefully it will not be a door for doing favors for a buddy or financial supporter. I'll wait and see how this shakes out.
 

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Nailed it. Improving forest health is code for opening up more land to timber companies. It doesn't privitize it yet, but gets it one step closer. That's where the Rob Bishop connection comes in. Raul Labrador from Idaho will be right next to Rob Bishop spurring that timber land to become private eventually. I don't trust anything these two individuals endorse as far as public lands are concerned.

Why would a timber company want to buy the land when it can periodically harvest from it while under public ownership? I don't think the math makes sense there.
 

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Why would a timber company want to buy the land when it can periodically harvest from it while under public ownership? I don't think the math makes sense there.

They wouldn't, the lands only value to them is with the trees.
 

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We aren't going to log our way out of forest fires. The two most recent fires near me started on heavily, recently logged pieces of timber company lands. Fire absolutely rips through messy logging slash and super heavily stocked reprod. One of the industry lobbying groups here happily promotes that they plant 7 trees for every tree they harvest; isn't that kind of contrary to the statements that we have too many trees and thus are having fires? I don't have a problem with logging per se, but just be honest about your motives. I also get concerned about all the roads, traffic and lack of wildlife security that comes with it.
 

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We aren't going to log our way out of forest fires. The two most recent fires near me started on heavily, recently logged pieces of timber company lands. Fire absolutely rips through messy logging slash and super heavily stocked reprod. One of the industry lobbying groups here happily promotes that they plant 7 trees for every tree they harvest; isn't that kind of contrary to the statements that we have too many trees and thus are having fires? I don't have a problem with logging per se, but just be honest about your motives. I also get concerned about all the roads, traffic and lack of wildlife security that comes with it.

Truthfully we need forest fires to burn, best way to get rid of all the beatle kill. But we can also start to create a healthier forest with logging, might take 40+ years, there is no quick fix.
 

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Truthfully we need forest fires to burn, best way to get rid of all the beatle kill. But we can also start to create a healthier forest with logging, might take 40+ years, there is no quick fix.

Yep. Fire is nature's way of cleaning up the forest and creating new growth. But every time a fire starts, they put it out. Unfortunately people have a very near-sighted view of how things should be managed. Without the logging, forests get even more overgrown which causes these fires to be even larger and more damaging to what most people want in the first place.
 
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I have opinions (most probably uneducated) on a lot of political issues, especially when they involve funding but if the US is committed to extinguishing wildfires I honestly don't know how the fire suppression budget gets fixed. Its a money losing game with little to no return... as healthcare, retirement costs, hourly wages, fleet rates, etc.. increase it only stands to reason the cost of suppression will. Regardless if the money is spent on prevention or suppression it's going to continue to climb so:
1) we can either kick more money from the general funds to help or
2) we can generate alternative revenue through things like timber sales

therefore if harvested responsibly to aid with habitat improvement I see this as a necessity. I'm all for it... regardless of which politician is backing the bill.
 
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The above 3 are on target. Logging is good for the forest and deer/elk poulations. If our goal is massive fires that burn everything to moonscape we should keep our current forest management practices.

Personally I'd rather watch it go down the road on the back of a truck than up in smoke.

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Nailed it. Improving forest health is code for opening up more land to timber companies. It doesn't privitize it yet, but gets it one step closer. That's where the Rob Bishop connection comes in. Raul Labrador from Idaho will be right next to Rob Bishop spurring that timber land to become private eventually. I don't trust anything these two individuals endorse as far as public lands are concerned.

This is nothing better than a conspiracy theory. I understand your concern with Bishop but think the statement about being code for opening it up to privatization is of no merit. Our forests in the west are in dire conditions and due a constant battle of litigation by environmental extremists the situation gets worse every year.


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