“Rokslide Special” .223 Training ammunition?

[Levy_ken]

I just looked at their site- it seems to me that they are just a website and have everything drop shipped. It's pretty common- especially with the low price winners on ammoseek, etc. Even at $0.74/round, I'd think it would be worth it to go with a BF 77gr otm or similar. the price would go up to ~$0.93/round, could be worth it.

Definitely seems they’re drop-shipping.

Also you might be right. I actually have like 200 rounds of the 75gr Frontier that I got a great deal on somewhere else though, so I’m gonna try those out and see how they do and then decide. So far I’ve just done some plinking with it in my AR and it feeds/functions fine and was able to hit silhouette targets at 400-500 without re-zeroing, but haven’t actually put them through the chrono or shot them for groups to see what they’ll do yet. I can try and post up some results if people are interested.

 

[Ajsomp]

Yeah $73 to ship is ridiculous for sure, just meant that the overall price/round still works out to be the same or slightly less per round than the other options I've found so far. Classic case of "low price" and jack the shipping to the moon.

I always sort out shipping rating higher >4 for that very reason.

 

[JoeK]

With AAC out of the game for now I like Norma 69gr, was $.50/rd a little while back and
i picked up a case with my fingers crossed my trainer would like it and fortunately it shoots "fine".

Right now the 62gr Norma is .50/round from armedinmichigan. free shipping at $800 I think its 3% CC fee which isn't so bad if you order enough for the free ship. Should be fine for training and I hear the norma brass is good for reloading too if your up for loading hunting rounds. Or probably get a few bucks back selling the brass.

I also added a couple boxes of ADI 69gr to test at .75/rd

I'm looking to set up a progressive press to load my own training ammo with primers at 4-5c and 75-77gr projectiles right around 20c.
Maybe it's Not so much worth saving 15-20c/rd but I think it's compelling to have a consistent supply if I can get the process efficient. at .50c/rnd savings I'm cheap enough to spend some time loading.

 

[Jermh]

Few hundred more rounds of the 69 ADI’s incoming. I’ve been shooting the Frontier stuff quite a bit due to price and being able to buy it off the shelf easily instead of having to order online, but I’m finally done dealing with the constant light strikes I get with that stuff.

Last straw was a few days ago when I went to shoot a groundhog that I didn’t feel like burning a TMK on. *click*, rack bolt, *click*, rack bolt, bang. Nobody got time for that.

 

[bojangles808]

I have been practicing with frontier 75 grain at .50c a round.. It is penty good for me to work on positional, speed and wobble zone training out to 400ish on pizza box sized gongs. Ya im not zeroing a rifle with it.

Does the 75grain frontier fit and run in the OEM Tikka mags in a 223?

 

[Wprinkle]

Does the 75grain frontier fit and run in the OEM Tikka mags in a 223?

I’ll have to see.. I’ve been using mambas. But my guess would be yes

 

[Shoot&miss]

Does the 75grain frontier fit and run in the OEM Tikka mags in a 223?

Yes they do. No issues with feeding at all with my stock Tikka. My experience though for my rifle was about a 2.5 inch group (20) at 100 yards. Also had problems with light primer strikes and particulates blowing through the primers.

 

[WyldGoose]

Yes they do. No issues with feeding at all with my stock Tikka. My experience though for my rifle was about a 2.5 inch group (20) at 100 yards. Also had problems with light primer strikes and particulates blowing through the primers.

How long ago was that?

 

[Shoot&miss]

How long ago was that?

Two days ago.

 

[WyldGoose]

Two days ago.

Dang. I had similar issues recently with the new 77gr Frontier OTM’s. I sent em back to Hornady and they’re sending me those 75gr HPBT in exchange. Hope I don’t run into the same issues…

 

[JDMBEND]

Hornady should be embarrassed to sell that garbage

 

[Levy_ken]

Was curious to see what the 75gr Frontier would do out of my gas gun, so shot a couple 10 shot groups today and wasn’t able to get less than 2.75” or so at 100. Like @Wprinkle mentioned, they are cheap and work well for 400 and in practice, but farther than that the wheels seem to fall off. I’ve shot probably 180 rounds of it and haven’t had any misfires or issues like @Shoot&miss so I may continue to pick some up when I find it cheap as a closer range, higher volume alternative.

Best 10 group with the Frontier 75gr BTHP:


Quick 10 shots immediately after with AAC 77gr OTM for reference:

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I had two light strikes out of about 200 rounds of the Frontier 5.56 62-grain, but it shoots such nice groups in my rifle that I can tolerate it.

 

[justinspicher]

I’ve had a few issues with the Hornady 75gr HPBT in 556, but not enough to not use it for practice. I’ll blow out a primer every now and then or I’ll have a failure to fire or eject, but it’s not enough for me to stop using them.

Accuracy hasn’t been an issue for me, but I shoot a gas gun exclusively, so my tolerance will vary from most folks.

 

[Wprinkle]

I guess I should explain my point of view/opinion on the “cheap training ammo.” First off, group size is so far down on my list of priorities for training, it’s almost out of sight. If the 100 yard prone 20 shot group is 4 inches, ok, now I know the capabilities of the system. (FYI pretty sure S2H has proven that most of us are in the 3-4 MOA group when put under time and pressure anyways) With a 4 MOA system I am still within a 17 inch Killzone out to 400 ish. Then I just practice field positions at random distances, or shoot the S2H drill, but always under time pressure. I focus on the things that matter like setting up the best and fastest shooting position I can for the conditions, wobble zone, breathing, trigger control, spotting my impact, reloading, adjustment and or follow-up shot. If all those things are improving and I am still within my 4 MOA group size and I executed the system and hopefully a little better than the last time, I know I am improving. When I’m faster, I’m steadier, and I’m withing the capabilities of my system I know I will be accurate. Then when I put the golden BB handloads or whatever in I am good to go. For me I have to train the things that make me accurate before I worry about my group size. If I have a sub MOA 100 round group from prone with no time pressure, but cant hit the water standing in a boat from any other position or under time and stress, then that sub MOA group is pointless. Point number two is, I’m currently on track to hit the 8K round mark this year and hommie needs to hit that number without donating a kidney to buy ammo…



Again this is my thinking and approach, I am sure there is a healthy dose of “blasting” coming in the comments haha

 

[wind gypsy]

I guess I should explain my point of view/opinion on the “cheap training ammo.” First off, group size is so far down on my list of priorities for training, it’s almost out of sight. If the 100 yard prone 20 shot group is 4 inches, ok, now I know the capabilities of the system. (FYI pretty sure S2H has proven that most of us are in the 3-4 MOA group when put under time and pressure anyways) With a 4 MOA system I am still within a 17 inch Killzone out to 400 ish. Then I just practice field positions at random distances, or shoot the S2H drill, but always under time pressure. I focus on the things that matter like setting up the best and fastest shooting position I can for the conditions, wobble zone, breathing, trigger control, spotting my impact, reloading, adjustment and or follow-up shot. If all those things are improving and I am still within my 4 MOA group size and I executed the system and hopefully a little better than the last time, I know I am improving. When I’m faster, I’m steadier, and I’m withing the capabilities of my system I know I will be accurate. Then when I put the golden BB handloads or whatever in I am good to go. For me I have to train the things that make me accurate before I worry about my group size. If I have a sub MOA 100 round group from prone with no time pressure, but cant hit the water standing in a boat from any other position or under time and stress, then that sub MOA group is pointless. Point number two is, I’m currently on track to hit the 8K round mark this year and hommie needs to hit that number without donating a kidney to buy ammo…



Again this is my thinking and approach, I am sure there is a healthy dose of “blasting” coming in the comments haha

4 MOA isn't as useful in the hunter drill when there are 2, 3, and 5 MOA targets. I dont necessarily disagree with the sentiment but it drives a guy nuts after shooting primarily stuff with mechanical precision inside 1 MOA 10 shot groups.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

4 MOA isn't as useful in the hunter drill when there are 2, 3, and 5 MOA targets. I dont necessarily disagree with the sentiment but it drives a guy nuts after shooting primarily stuff with mechanical precision inside 1 MOA 10 shot groups.

Agreed. Shooting the Carl Ross drill with 4 MOA ammo would make me want to take up golf. And I hate golf.