Tikka T3x 300 WinMag - Why the 24" barrel with 1:11 twist?

Gvanwage

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Someone please school me on this!

I am in the market for a 300 WinMag and totally new to the caliber/cartridge. I love the Look, feel, action, and price of the Tikka T3x. However, doing some research the T3x comes with a barrel that is a little more than 24” long with a 1:11 twist.

It looks like most 300 WinMag barrels come in 24 inch or 26 inch and I’m guessing that is just preference to the hunter/shooter (although many say the mags really need the longer 26 barrels). My main question is why the 1:11 twist? Most people seem to say that 1:10 twist or less is best for 300wm mainly for stabilizing the heavier grain bullets at longer ranges.

Why did Tikka do this, am i over thinking the utility of the rifle and wanting the capability to shoot the the 200+ grain bullets? Realistically, i probably will never go on a grizzly or moose hunt but when comparing to competitors, the Tikka deals like its at a disadvantage with this. Like i said, school me
 

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Someone please school me on this!

I am in the market for a 300 WinMag and totally new to the caliber/cartridge. I love the Look, feel, action, and price of the Tikka T3x. However, doing some research the T3x comes with a barrel that is a little more than 24” long with a 1:11 twist.

It looks like most 300 WinMag barrels come in 24 inch or 26 inch and I’m guessing that is just preference to the hunter/shooter (although many say the mags really need the longer 26 barrels). My main question is why the 1:11 twist? Most people seem to say that 1:10 twist or less is best for 300wm mainly for stabilizing the heavier grain bullets at longer ranges.

Why did Tikka do this, am i over thinking the utility of the rifle and wanting the capability to shoot the the 200+ grain bullets? Realistically, i probably will never go on a grizzly or moose hunt but when comparing to competitors, the Tikka deals like its at a disadvantage with this. Like i said, school me
So heres the deal - it is at a disadvantage with this if you're looking to shoot heavies.

For the average joe shooting average factory stuff at average distances, it isn't going to make a measurable difference... but then again, most average joes would do just fine with a 30-06 at average distances... but thats not the question at hand.

If your intent is to shoot greater distances(and in my opinion it should be if you're buying a magnum), then you're going to want to shoot big heavy long bullets. The 11 twist barrel won't stabilize them(not to mention the magazine is small).

Is it stupid? absolutely. About the only thing Tikka is getting right is the twist on the creedmoor. I think they'd have a killer product if they just updated all their twist rates. Even Browning is getting it right, Tikka needs to get on board.
 

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Tikka twists all their .30 cal barrels at 1:11 and it works with all common bullet weights. 150-180gr.

The heavier than normal bullets that look like javelins are a pretty new wrinkle in most bore diameters. My Tikka in .300 stabilized 180s just fine and I never felt the need to go with a heavier bullet to do what I needed to get done. A 180gr at 2950fps solves most ballistic equations for much further than most people can even shoot.

It doesn't make sense for them to market an economy rifle to all the 1%er's out there.
 

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I’ve loaded 208 and 212 in OEM tikka 1:11 twists and they work just fine thus far. Heck I’ve shot 200 accubonds out of a 1:12 twist 20” barrel 308 and they didnt hit the target sideways despite going 2500 fps MV and it being 10 degrees out at sea level.

Would 1:10 be better hypothetically? If wanting to consistently shoot at 1k or further likely so. But reality as a lightweight hunting rifle it will do just fine.

All that said when I rebarreld my Tikka I put a 1:10 twist proof barrel on it just cause I wanted carbon bling.

Granted I favor the 300 WSM over the 300 WM just so I don't have to worry about COAL restrictions the WM version can be an issue with when reloading long skinny bullets.
 
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If you want to handload the heavy bullets I would steer you in another direction. Factory mag in 300wm is limiting, and if you’re like me and won’t settle for what the gun is, you’ll wind up spending more on aftermarket parts than you otherwise would have to. Great gun and does what it’s supposed to, but I couldn't settle for the magazine limitations. Wound up rebarreling too because what the heck why not. But it is perfectly fine for factory ammo. Shot 200 gr hornady eldx sub moa for me. I just like to tinker
 

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Tikka twists all their .30 cal barrels at 1:11 and it works with all common bullet weights. 150-180gr.

The heavier than normal bullets that look like javelins are a pretty new wrinkle in most bore diameters. My Tikka in .300 stabilized 180s just fine and I never felt the need to go with a heavier bullet to do what I needed to get done. A 180gr at 2950fps solves most ballistic equations for much further than most people can even shoot.

It doesn't make sense for them to market an economy rifle to all the 1%er's out there.
That was my point with the 30-06 comment - if all you’re doing is shooting animals at average ranges the 30-06 connects more dots than people realize a lot cheaper and easier on the shoulder than the big magnums do.

As far as the twist rates - I wouldn’t consider the Tikka to be an economy/value rifle. It ain’t high end but it’s surely more than the Ruger/Savage fodder - it wouldn’t hurt to speed up some of the twist rates.
 

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208gr amax and eld-m stabilized down at about 2500fps.

As a whole the twist rate/mag box isn't ideal

but I'd more lean towards a 6.25lb rifle being too light to be lighting off 200gr bullets in front of 70+ grains of powder.
 

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That was my point with the 30-06 comment - if all you’re doing is shooting animals at average ranges the 30-06 connects more dots than people realize a lot cheaper and easier on the shoulder than the big magnums do.

As far as the twist rates - I wouldn’t consider the Tikka to be an economy/value rifle. It ain’t high end but it’s surely more than the Ruger/Savage fodder - it wouldn’t hurt to speed up some of the twist rates.
Love my tikka 30-06! I always wondered why it likes 150 and 165gr bullets much better than any 180gr I’ve tried. Kind of makes me want to tinker around with it. But then I tell myself, just shut up and shoot it, it’s sub MOA all day..
 

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I just start reloading 6 weeks ago. My second attempt at a bullet/powder combo I’m shooting MOA groups w my Tikka 300 WM.

The short mag/long jump and 1:11 twist might note be ideal. But it does have to be a deal breaker.

76.5 H1000 and 200 ELD-X loaded to mag max (3.366)
 

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Tikka is very much an international gun company. The "heavy for caliber" bullet selection thing is sort'a a US thing. They have the same problem with their 243 and 223 cartridges but then again, they selling those to guys who shoot nothing larger than a fox.

If you wanna sling the heavies, buy another maker's gun. Chances are though, an 11 twist with a bullet and does well in it, will drop anything you come across.
 

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Hey Luke. What are you loading in Tikka 300 WSM? I know you are an unabashed WSM man. Do you think there is more latitude in the Tikka short magazine than the 300 WM in the long magazine.
 

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Hey Luke. What are you loading in Tikka 300 WSM? I know you are an unabashed WSM man. Do you think there is more latitude in the Tikka short magazine than the 300 WM in the long magazine.
My buddy and bother have both their Tikka 300 WSM in chassis that use AICS mags with 2.960-2.980" COAL allowance which is enough to get 212 to the lands in both their OEM setups.

My 300 WSM is still working with a standard bottom "metal" and as such I am using the standard "SM" tikka mags for most of the stuff as my carbon barrel 300 WSM is reamed as such anything from 200 Accubonds on down work just fine at the lands in the OEM "SM" mag boxes.

However the 208 and 212 ELDs need more space to get the lands (not that it doesn't shoot in OEM mag restrictions I just like options).

So I got a 3 round Mountain Tactical magazine that works with 300 WM or WSM cartridges. At 3.350" or whatever it would be tight for a standard 300 WM (which is why I am a short action fan on the tikka platform), but that 3.350" leave TONS of room for however far out you wanna seat those long skinny bullets in a WSM.

Here is a 300 WSM 212 ELDX seated to around 3" I believe:


Here is the same style mag with a 7 WSM 175 ELDX seated to around 3.150-3.200" and still room for days:


Without modification a WSM won't work in an OEM Tikka 300 WM magazine as much as I would like for it to work it simply won't.

Hope that helps.
 

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Thanks Luke. That answered a lot of my questions. I was thinking along the lines of using a long factory mag,with a 300 WSM and a bolt stop change.
 
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