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    Sabotloader,
    Makes total sense. I can this being a big help, but I have a feeling if I just shim the back plate of my breech forward a few thousandths to reduce the blow back, I may be in business. I contacted traditions and they claim the standard 209 plug is designed to be compliant with BH209. I will start with trying to reduce primer blow back/improve primer fit and see where that takes me. I have a suspicion that primer fit and the CLP were causing the issue. If I can't solve it there, I may explore some breech plug mods.

    Thanks! I really appreciate the great info.

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    Well, finally got out and did some shooting yesterday. It looks like the combination of getting rid of the CLP, seating the bullet harder, and shimming the back breech plate forward a few thousandths took care of the issue. Every shot was an immediate ignition and I managed a 1.25" 3 shot group at 100 once I got it dialed in. I did not clean between shots but did run a wire file (torch tip cleaner) through the flash hole between shots.

    Looks like I won't be able to use the gun as the excuse in Utah later this month after all...
    Thanks to everyone who provided advice!

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    I have used BH209 in my Traditions Vortek Strikefire. I have had slight hang fired using 120 grains and a 270 grain Federal Bor Lok bullet. Primers are Federal 209. On an out of state hunt, I loaded the gun in the morning. 3 hours later I got on a bedded buck and had a hangfire with the gun. On a back home late season der hunt, I loaded the gun the evening before. Late the next day, the load was dead when I lined up on a doe. The primer fired. The next day at home, 3 more primers fired but the load was dead.

    I corresponded with Western Powder who makes the BH209 and also Taditions. Traditions says 120 grains is too much and to use Federal 209M primers. Western said that I was cleaning wrong using TC bore cleaning liquid & bore butter (my cleaning regiment for 30 years).

    So, I cleaned the gun using oil based cleaners. Loaded gun and left it for a day (120 grains BH). Gun did a slight hangfire with a noticeable click-then bang. WTF......

    Now, I'm pretty sure I'm done with 209. This powder has caused me a great buck and more grief that the past 30 years of smoke pole hunting combined! My prior gun (still have) is a TC Triumph. Shot it for many years with 150 grains of 777 pellets. Only issue ever was a late season hunt. The day before was dripping wet with melting snow. I should have reloaded the gun but didn't and had a hangfire. The 209 had no such conditions.

    When this years early season for deer opens in a few weeks, my thoughts are to bring out the TC . I love the light weight and feel of the Strikefire, but feel cursed with that gun too, not just the 209.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curvebow View Post
    I have used BH209 in my Traditions Vortek Strikefire. I have had slight hang fired using 120 grains and a 270 grain Federal Bor Lok bullet. Primers are Federal 209. On an out of state hunt, I loaded the gun in the morning. 3 hours later I got on a bedded buck and had a hangfire with the gun. On a back home late season der hunt, I loaded the gun the evening before. Late the next day, the load was dead when I lined up on a doe. The primer fired. The next day at home, 3 more primers fired but the load was dead.

    I corresponded with Western Powder who makes the BH209 and also Taditions. Traditions says 120 grains is too much and to use Federal 209M primers. Western said that I was cleaning wrong using TC bore cleaning liquid & bore butter (my cleaning regiment for 30 years).

    So, I cleaned the gun using oil based cleaners. Loaded gun and left it for a day (120 grains BH). Gun did a slight hangfire with a noticeable click-then bang. WTF......

    Now, I'm pretty sure I'm done with 209. This powder has caused me a great buck and more grief that the past 30 years of smoke pole hunting combined! My prior gun (still have) is a TC Triumph. Shot it for many years with 150 grains of 777 pellets. Only issue ever was a late season hunt. The day before was dripping wet with melting snow. I should have reloaded the gun but didn't and had a hangfire. The 209 had no such conditions.

    When this years early season for deer opens in a few weeks, my thoughts are to bring out the TC . I love the light weight and feel of the Strikefire, but feel cursed with that gun too, not just the 209.
    Same issues I had with BH209. Same result- switched back to 777 and have been good to go since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OXN939 View Post
    I've had the OP's same issue with BH209 in multiple muzzleloading platforms. The reason there are BH209-specific breech plugs is that it is relatively difficult to ignite, and therefore requires a larger diameter flash channel. I had about five hangfires with brand new powder using the correct breech plugs and proper loading protocols before I contacted Wester Powders' customer service. They told me it was my fault and then stopped answering my emails.

    Switched back to 777 and have yet to have a misfire since.
    Similar results for me as well. I tried one jug of BH and had to give it up. Luckily it was all practice attempts when the issues occurred and no hunt was sacrificed. I went back to the pellets and all was good again.

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    I have a TC G2 Contender .45 cal. Iíve never used anything but BH 209 and CCI MAGNUM PRIMERS and havenít ever had a problem. Not one!

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    Drill out the flash hole to I believe 3/32 it worked on my vortek. No hang fires now

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    For you guys having hang fires are you using Muzzleloader 209 primers or shot shell primers? ML primers are too weak for BH209.
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    We use only Winchester 209 primers no black powder primers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmort1754 View Post
    We use only Winchester 209 primers no black powder primers
    Even using the W209 doesn't always work. It really depends on the construction of your breech plug...

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    You have lots of replies above and they may have good insight.

    I too used BH 209 in a Traditions Vortek Strikefire. I save the whining about the deer the BH 209 cost me! Anyhow, it turned out that my cleaning methods were not compatible with the 209. I used TC products like I have used for Pyrodex, 777 pellets, etc; like I have for the past 30 years and 4 other muzz guns. Long story short - it was mainly the cleaning products reacting with the 209 that caused hangfires (when loaded a few hours before) or total lack of ignition (when loaded the night before).

    So I started using only oil based cleaners, and used a 1/8" drill to clean the nipple (as well as a wire tool for the actual hole) and bought different primers that were recommended by WEstern Powders who make 209. With the 209 powder, I still got slight, discernable hangfires. After all the monkeyfuddling around, I realized that in 30 years, I've never had issues like this. What was different?? Answer - the BH 209.

    So, I now happily shoot 777 pellets again (have some new Hogdons Starfire pellets but haven't tried them yet). No hangfires, no hesitation. Pull the trigger, the gun goes BOOM - and reliably with the 777. Looking forward to hunting with the gun tomorrow with the knowledge & confidence that the gun will go Boom when I ask it to. Sure, the 777 burns a bit dirtier, but it was still hard to seat bullets after 2 or 3 shots using the 209. So, I fire 3 shots (when sighting in) then clean the gun fairly thoroughly. Same as I had to do with the 209.

    While this may not be your issue, I read a lot about people changing primers, installing or looking for different nipples, drilling things out, etc. just to accomadate the BH 209. I know there are folks who love the 209 and I'm happy for them. But if you're having issues, maybe look past the 209 to something with less of a troubled reputation.

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    Well, long story short this was my fault and not the gun or powder. I found that the breech on the traditions is very tight and gets tighter in the area where the projectile is supposed to seat. I tried putting a ball starter over the end of the ram rod and whacking it really sharply with my palm and the projectile seared almost 1/2Ē further than it would with simply applying pressure to the ramrod with the supplied T handle.

    Since the projectile has always come to a consistent stop I thought I was fully seating it. Ever since I have been using the ball starter over the rod and seating the extra 7/16Ē, my issue has been totally eliminated.


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    Following... I have had no issues to date with BH 209

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