2025-2029 BGSS

[yoopshoot]

Looks like CPW is proposing draw for both residents and nonresidents for archery elk.

https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Commission/2024/March/2025-2029_Big_Game_Season_Structure_Preliminary_Alternatives_and_Staff_Recommendations_Memo.pdf?utm_source=ehq_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ehq-CPW-Big-Game-Season-Structure-and-Draw-Process-Working-Group-Updates&utm_campaign=website&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ehq

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[Gerbdog]

Yea, funny its mentioned immediately in their reasoning:
"While we acknowledge that a full limitation of both resident and nonresident OTC licenses is one of the least favored options for OTC limitation based on the results of the public OTC survey,"

.......... comon man...... why'd you bother asking us then?

 

[Gerbdog]

oh... and then followed by their suggested course of action for OTC rifle hunts:

Status Quo : "No Changes"......... unlimited licenses available for antlered elk in OTC units........

How can you be worried for elk herd health in OTC units in one breath... and then the next decide in those same units ... JK! Plenty of elk for killin!

edited to add : this was also mentioned and acknowledged to be one of the least popular options for OTC rifle elk.....

 

[CodeMonkey]

Too much money is made from OTC NR Elk Rifle licenses for them to curtail it.

 

[Jaden Bales]

Personally am a fan of the approach in the proposals for mule deer...

Edit: whoops. I realize now this is in the "elk" forum. Couldn't help it. hahaha

 

[Jaquomo]

And reducing archery licenses by 10% "initially". Which means even more in the future. CPW hates bowhunters. That has been clear for a long time. They acknowledged that this was the least preferred alternative, but screw 'em, we don't care what the testimony, surveys, and public input say.


Interesting how the preferred alternative for rifle would limit NR but leave 2nd and 3rd OTC for residents. But they said doing this for archery would increase crowding over time?

This....is why I stopped going to the Roundtable and other public meetings.

 

[ckleeves]

 

[IrkedCitizen]

The only people complaining the most about "overcrowding" is the archery elk hunters. The rifle hunts have always been a pumpkin patch and that is just the way it has been forever and they simply deal with it.

Archery hunts have only turned sideways in last 10 years due to all the youtube publicity. Archery technology has also improved dramatically especially in the accuracy at distance department. Therefore more people hitting the woods with archery tackle.

The only people to blame are ourselves. Complain about overcrowded hunts and the only way to combat that is to limit the amount of hunters.

 

[ckleeves]

CPW is just kicking the crowding can down the road. From limiting OTC archery units and pushing guys into less and less area and now (if they go limited on archery) pushing more people into rifle which is already crowded (archery is too, not just a rifle issue).

People state crowding is a major concern so let’s go ahead and cause more of it by still keeping OTC for rifle while taking away archery.

I can get on board with either leaving everything OTC (that was historically otc, think 5 ish years ago) or going limited on everything. This close this unit, close that unit, limited on archery but not rifle etc simply isn’t working. It needs to be an all or nothing approach.

Taking the same (or more) amount of people and putting them into smaller and smaller spaces is getting ridiculous.

 

[Dave0317]

I agree with ckleeves. All or nothing would be best. Making everything draw only would pretty much eliminate point creep, allow max control over herd health and overcrowding, and quite possibly result in better hunting on average for all of us. Even if it means hunting CO every other year.

 

[100 others]

I agree with ckleeves. All or nothing would be best. Making everything draw only would pretty much eliminate point creep, allow max control over herd health and overcrowding, and quite possibly result in better hunting on average for all of us. Even if it means hunting CO every other year.

It’s amazing how many people (R and NR) complain about point creep but also don’t want to give up OTC every year. Theres no way to reel that back while people are gaining a point AND hunting elk every year.