Biden announces proposed gun control measures

[BjornF16]

Fellers...keep it civil and related to 2A.

 

[MattB]

Fair enough. But I understand why the general non-gun person would be suspicious when in so many instances of mass shootings over the past 20 years, the AR has been the weapon of choice.

You might want to spend some of that time spent with suburban moms and warching mainstream new researching the weapon of choice in "mass shootings", because your assertion above is incorrect. Handguns are the resounding choice of mass shooters.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2023 | Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

 

[MattB]

Only intelligent people see that plan....you know people with common sense and awareness.

....and tinfoil hats.

 

[MattB]

I get you here, but this doesn't really address the point I was making.

Biden will work across the aisle because that's what he's predictably done over his multiple decades in public office. This has earned him the ire of many Democrats, just as it earned McCain and Romney the disdain of many Republicans. He's already demonstrating this in real-time, at the cost of failing to immediately pass legislation with overwhelming public support to appease Republicans in Congress.

If the dude doesn't have the testicles to pass immediate relief when it could be argued that that issue single-handedly won control of the Senate for his party, AND has support from several Republican Senators, it's just highly doubtful he's going to do something as brazen as an all-out attack on the 2A.

And even if he did, there are enough Democrat Senators who would vote against it, like Joe Manchin, that it probably wouldn't matter.

Biden isn't an extremist, and if progressives were in control of the party you'd have to think their candidates would win the primaries, right?

Again, not an argument for burying our heads in the sand. Vigilance is always a good policy.

That was my hope based on historical practice, but thus far his executive orders and a number of quotes suggest he is pandering to the progressive agenda.

 

[Flyjunky]

The media gives the progressive left a loud voice currently. It’s likely to keep shifting left. Look at the cancel culture compared to yesteryear. It’s not just the second amendment that’s under attack, the first has its comers too

For me, this is the biggest thing going right now. l know people on here are focused on 2A, understandably so, but he who controls the information controls everything. Don't think for a moment that big tech, msm, social media, etc won't use their power to influence all the information concerning 2A.

The amount of censorship and cancel culture going on right now is really concerning, more so than 2A at this point for me. I don't like any infringement on 2A, obviously, but I really fear this censorship is going to be a huge deal and will eventually be used to alter the thoughts/leanings of those who don't know any better about the 2A fight.

 

[MattB]

I think she was "progressive" early in the primary when it seemed politically advantageous. She moved closer to the center for the same reason later on.

I don't consider her a true ideological progressive like Sanders, AOC, or Omar. I'm not saying progressives don't exist, but they don't "control the Democratic party." Far from it.

I am sorry, but Kamala Harris has not changed her political philosophy in the time between her departure from the presidential race and inauguration day. Just look back at her presidential platform. Here some quotes from a BBC article outlining her platform. Note the support/partnership on legislation with Berbie and AOC.

As a Bay Area resident who has watched her career on national news, Harris is a California progressive through and through.


"Ms Harris has described herself as a "progressive prosecutor"..."

"Health: Ms Harris' shifting opinion on this issue damaged her presidential campaign. She was one of the first top Democrats to join Senator Bernie Sanders' 2017 Medicare for All bill to provide government-run medical insurance for every American."

"Ms Harris was a co-sponsor of the Green New Deal, a policy paper that advocates overhauling the US economy to tackle climate change. Conservatives decry it as a "socialist manifesto".

Recently, Ms Harris introduced a climate equity bill with self-described democratic socialist congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that seeks to rate how environmental laws affect lower-income communities."

"In a 2018 Senate hearing, Ms Harris outraged conservatives by drawing parallels between the Ku Klux Klan and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, an agency within the US Department of Homeland Security."

What does Kamala Harris believe in? - BBC News

She's made history as the first black and Asian woman on a major US party ticket. What are her views?

www.google.com

 

[Hoodie]

I am sorry, but Kamala Harris has not changed her political philosophy in the time between her departure from the presidential race and inauguration day. Just look back at her presidential platform. Here some quotes from a BBC article outlining her platform. Note the support/partnership on legislation with Berbie and AOC.

As a Bay Area resident who has watched her career on national news, Harris is a California progressive through and through.


"Ms Harris has described herself as a "progressive prosecutor"..."

"Health: Ms Harris' shifting opinion on this issue damaged her presidential campaign. She was one of the first top Democrats to join Senator Bernie Sanders' 2017 Medicare for All bill to provide government-run medical insurance for every American."

"Ms Harris was a co-sponsor of the Green New Deal, a policy paper that advocates overhauling the US economy to tackle climate change. Conservatives decry it as a "socialist manifesto".

Recently, Ms Harris introduced a climate equity bill with self-described democratic socialist congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that seeks to rate how environmental laws affect lower-income communities."

"In a 2018 Senate hearing, Ms Harris outraged conservatives by drawing parallels between the Ku Klux Klan and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, an agency within the US Department of Homeland Security."

What does Kamala Harris believe in? - BBC News

She's made history as the first black and Asian woman on a major US party ticket. What are her views?

www.google.com

Regardless of how she sees herself, I wouldn't refer to her as a "progressive prosecutor" by any means.

I saw her flip on Medicare for All during the primary. I'd consider M4A the cornerstone issue for most true progressives.

She's undeniably left-leaning (she's a Democrat after all), but I wouldn't put her in the same category as Sanders. AOC, or Omar. They have a certain degree of consistency that Harris has seemed to eschew in favor of going where the political winds blow.

But the information/quotes you posted, none of which seem questionable, shows she's also clearly not Joe Manchin. There's no denying that.

I still maintain that thus far the Biden administration has objectively been more willing to appease Republicans than progressives. I think that is relevant to this discussion. If they were pandering to the far left wing of the party there would be no delay on Covid relief to address Republican concerns.

I think this willingness to work towards legislation with bipartisan support bodes well regarding gun control legislation. I don't think things will be radically different than the last time the Democrats had control of the HOR and Senate. It's obviously early on though.

If they don't pass a relief bill quickly I think they will struggle to keep the seats they picked up in the Georgia runoffs come midterms.

 

[MattB]

Regardless of how she sees herself, I wouldn't refer to her as a "progressive prosecutor" by any means.

I saw her flip on Medicare for All during the primary. I'd consider M4A the cornerstone issue for most true progressives.

She's undeniably left-leaning (she's a Democrat after all), but I wouldn't put her in the same category as Sanders. AOC, or Omar. They have a certain degree of consistency that Harris has seemed to eschew in favor of going where the political winds blow.

But the information/quotes you posted, none of which seem questionable, shows she's also clearly not Joe Manchin. There's no denying that.

I still maintain that thus far the Biden administration has objectively been more willing to appease Republicans than progressives. I think that is relevant to this discussion.

She was a local politician her in the Bay Area for 15 years or so. Made her way intonpoliticalnoffice after sleeping with a married Willie Brown.

My presumption is you have been familiar with her for less than a year and predominantly bases on her cleansed presidential run. We've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Mostly the latter two.

 

[Hoodie]

She was a local politician her in the Bay Area for 15 years or so. Made her way intonpoliticalnoffice after sleeping with a married Willie Brown.

My presumption is you have been familiar with her for less than a year and predominantly bases on her cleansed presidential run. We've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Mostly the latter two.

Make no mistake, I'm not a fan.

I just don't think of her as a true progressive. I don't have a lot of respect for people whose ideology seems to change with the breeze.

 

[BjornF16]

This is speech straight out of 1984...only Marxists talk about deprogramming their populations.

Anti-Trump Scholar: ‘Nearly Impossible’ to ‘Deprogram’ Trump Supporters

On Monday, the Washington Post published an op-ed expressing the near futility of attempting to “deprogram” millions of Trump supporters.

www.breitbart.com

Wonder if they believe 2A supporters need to be "deprogrammed"?

 

[dsotm]

This is speech straight out of 1984...only Marxists talk about deprogramming their populations.

Anti-Trump Scholar: ‘Nearly Impossible’ to ‘Deprogram’ Trump Supporters

On Monday, the Washington Post published an op-ed expressing the near futility of attempting to “deprogram” millions of Trump supporters.

www.breitbart.com

Wonder if they believe 2A supporters need to be "deprogrammed"?

Of course they do. Anyone right of center is literally a nazi. Even fudds like newt.

 

[mtwarden]

it appears they have already successfully banned online ammo sales

 

[BjornF16]

it appears they have already successfully banned online ammo sales

Can you provide a link to what you are referring to?

 

[Fatcamp]

Regardless of how she sees herself, I wouldn't refer to her as a "progressive prosecutor" by any means.

I saw her flip on Medicare for All during the primary. I'd consider M4A the cornerstone issue for most true progressives.

She's undeniably left-leaning (she's a Democrat after all), but I wouldn't put her in the same category as Sanders. AOC, or Omar. They have a certain degree of consistency that Harris has seemed to eschew in favor of going where the political winds blow.

But the information/quotes you posted, none of which seem questionable, shows she's also clearly not Joe Manchin. There's no denying that.

I still maintain that thus far the Biden administration has objectively been more willing to appease Republicans than progressives. I think that is relevant to this discussion. If they were pandering to the far left wing of the party there would be no delay on Covid relief to address Republican concerns.

I think this willingness to work towards legislation with bipartisan support bodes well regarding gun control legislation. I don't think things will be radically different than the last time the Democrats had control of the HOR and Senate. It's obviously early on though.

If they don't pass a relief bill quickly I think they will struggle to keep the seats they picked up in the Georgia runoffs come midterms.

LOL. It's been a week.

This morning on NPR they were discussing whether the planned 10k student loan forgiveness is enough or if it really needs to be 100% for people of marginalized communities.

My big take away: How the Flak does a couple rack up $200,000 in student loan debt for a bachelor's and a master's? Really, they must have financed their entire lives for the duration of their education and now expect someone else to pay for it. And they will. Along with all kinds of other payouts.

 

[Glockster26]

Can you provide a link to what you are referring to?

I think he was making a joke about how hard it is to get now.

 

[zion zig zag]

LOL. It's been a week.

This morning on NPR they were discussing whether the planned 10k student loan forgiveness is enough or if it really needs to be 100% for people of marginalized communities.

My big take away: How the Flak does a couple rack up $200,000 in student loan debt for a bachelor's and a master's? Really, they must have financed their entire lives for the duration of their education and now expect someone else to pay for it. And they will. Along with all kinds of other payouts.

Yeah, this irritates me. I believe that a college education is too expensive and needs to be brought back in line with where normal inflation should have taken it. And I'd like to see more grants available, after all, a more educated society benefits all of us. But to finance someones living costs so that they can have the "college experience." Yeah, hard no. Get a job.

 

[BjornF16]

I think he was making a joke about how hard it is to get now.

ROFL...ok, mea culpa.

However, it appears to be self inflicted panic purchasing.

(and holy smokes! Has Nosler Custom always been $80+ a box for 280AI?)

 

[BjornF16]

Yeah, this irritates me. I believe that a college education is too expensive and needs to be brought back in line with where normal inflation should have taken it. And I'd like to see more grants available, after all, a more educated society benefits all of us. But to finance someones living costs so that they can have the "college experience." Yeah, hard no. Get a job.

Used to be that college professors "struggled" with finances...I don't think that is the case any more.

I agree...get a job (maybe selling guns at a LGS)

 

[Billinsd]

My big take away: How the Flak does a couple rack up $200,000 in student loan debt for a bachelor's and a master's? Really, they must have financed their entire lives for the duration of their education and now expect someone else to pay for it. And they will. Along with all kinds of other payouts.

It depends on the college they went to. I took my daughter to Stanford about a year ago for a long weekend trip and Stanford is $75,000 a year for a Bachelors. Closer to home UC San Diego, or UC Irvine, or UC Santa Barbara is about $37,000 a year for residents. I'm budgeting at LEAST $500,000 for both my kid's education, because I want them to have zero college debts. My wife's friend's son in law racked up $150,000 for a law degree.

 

[Billinsd]

Yeah, this irritates me. I believe that a college education is too expensive and needs to be brought back in line with where normal inflation should have taken it. And I'd like to see more grants available, after all, a more educated society benefits all of us. But to finance someones living costs so that they can have the "college experience." Yeah, hard no. Get a job.

A HUGE problem is that colleges have been in a sort of arms race to attract kids to their college for all the wrong reasons. To have a GREAT time, and many colleges have become like Expensive RESORTS. Down the road about a couple of miles is San Diego State University that I have a BS in Geology, a BS in Civil Engineering, and an MS in Civil Engineering. In the 90s there were three cafeterias on campus for 30,000 students. The food was adequate, but the choices were slim. The recreation offered was very slim. It was and is a party school. Back then the Fraternities threw the parties and the dominant social club. Now, there are hundreds and hundreds of new dorm rooms and many luxurious new dorm buildings. There is a huge new recreational center. It is more of a resort now. This is one of the reasons colleges have become so expensive is because many have become LUXURIOUS RESORTS. Watch Ivory Tower, it will make you very MAD!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_Tower_(2014_film)