American made alternatives to the tikka ?

[Formidilosus]

Correction.

The KRG SOTIC is American made and is the equal of Tikka in function and performance. Not exactly a standard hunting rifle, but...

 

[16Bore]

The last Tikka I bought was sold to me by an American in America, speaking English. I love hearing cries about ugly rifles that feel funny, have plastic parts, and bad ergos. Usually a good sign their custom got sand kicked in it’s "V" by a Tikka.

 

[16Bore]

It’s rather funny how many American rifles try imitate Tikka’s.....

 

[BjornF16]

The last Tikka I bought was sold to me by an American in America, speaking English. I love hearing cries about ugly rifles that feel funny, have plastic parts, and bad ergos. Usually a good sign their custom got sand kicked in it’s "V" by a Tikka.

...and the last time I bought some Chinese junk it was sold to me by an American, in America, speaking English.

Frankly, I don't understand the hostility to someone who wants to spend their hard earned cash on something made in America.

Having spent 22 years in the military, 10 years living overseas, 1 year living in Korea without my family, I tend to lean buy American whenever possible. But that is me.

Just my $0.02

 

[Formidilosus]

Frankly, I don't understand the hostility to someone who wants to spend their hard earned cash on something made in America.

I don’t think it’s hostility by anyone about that. It’s simply a rejection of propping up sub par items just because it’s “Made in America”. If people would would start demanding, pushing, and buying the products that are designed and made with quality, function and performance, manufacturers would start designing and building items correctly- then I could shoot US made Winchester rifle with a Leupold.


But US users are happy with flimsy, rough, poor functioning, sub par products because they are cheap.

 

[BjornF16]

I don’t think it’s hostility by anyone about that. It’s simply a rejection of propping up sub par items just because it’s “Made in America”. If people would would start demanding, pushing, and buying the products that are designed and made with quality, function and performance, manufacturers would start designing and building items correctly- then I could shoot US made Winchester rifle with a Leupold.


But US users are happy with flimsy, rough, poor functioning, sub par products because they are cheap.

With some it seems like hostility with snarky comments/remarks.

Personally, if I had it to do over again, I'd jump on your advice on 6.5 CM/223 rifle, perhaps in Tikka.

I've spent way too much money chasing accuracy on Rem 700's (exception being my R700 5R). I won't buy Remington again anytime soon.

I love my Fieldcraft 6.5 CM...no tinkering and shoots .5-.75 MOA with Hornady factory ammo. I also like my Kimber MA, but some tinkering was required.

Are they "smooth as butter"?...not so much, but they are accurate.

I haven't handled the Seekins...but I hear they are nice.

Yes, these are mostly 1.5 - 2x the Tikka cost...but I don't mind.

I have a dim view of Western Europeans after spending 9 years living in Europe...don't like their anti-Americanism nor their socialist leanings. I try to buy American.

But I won't criticize those who buy European (maybe I'll criticize buying Chinese tho).

To each their own...

 

[16Bore]

Tikka is far from Chinese junk....

 

[N2TRKYS]

Function:

Loading- Bolt travel with no binding at any point during cycling in snow, ice, sand, and excess debris, when cycled rapidly. Magazine feeding smoothly and positively in snow, ice, sand, and with excess debris.

Firing- Reliability of FCS when dealing with snow, ice, sand, and excess debris. Trigger reliability in all weather conditions, trigger being drop safe.

Extraction- bolt cycle positively and with no binding in adverse conditions. Consistent and reliable extraction in snow, ice, sand, and with excess debris.

Ejection- Consistent and reliable ejection in snow, ice, sand, and debris.




Shooting Performance:

Precision- Consistent and known precision from rifle to rifle with little to no variation- I.E., good barrels with excellent QC.

Trigger- Easily adjustable weight, no creep, clean and consistent break.

Action- smooth and anti-binding. Short bolt throw (less than 90°). Positive and consistent travel.

Stock- Stiff forend to resident contact and torque on the barrel and action from field positions. Vertical grip for increased trigger and recoil control. Negative comb and no drop at heel for straight line recoil and spotting impacts.



The only point that the T3x is weak on is the buttstock (drop at heel). Everything else was purposely designed for, or it’s lineage was, function and shooter feel in adverse conditions. Of all the the mainstream rifles, having seen lots used heavily, they are the most consistent and trouble free. That’s not to say that they never have problems, but the rate of issues is way lower than almost any other. One can take 10 T3x’s, mount good scopes in good bases/rings, and be very confident that none of those rifles will give any trouble or hassle, and the shooters performance/perception behind the rifle will be excellent. They will shoot, function and work as they should. One can not say the same of Remingtons, Savages, Ruger Americans, etc. This isn’t about what I like or think. I’m not a fan of anything but performance. I did not “like” Tikkas a decade ago. I personally like Pre 64 Winchester’s and old world Mausers. But I couldn’t say with a straight face that they are better performers in backpack hunting and shooting use than Tikkas.



That’s the gist. I would greatly like to be able to say that an American made hunting rifle is better at those things. It is ridiculous that a US company hasn’t done it, but at this point- no, there is not an American made rifle that is equal to the Scandinavian or European guns, Tikka included.

We may have more total hunters, but as the quote went “No country has finer sportsmen than America. And no country is more enamored with cheap junk”... or something to that effect.

Every Remington I have bought and the one Winchester that I own has done all those things flawlessly.

I hunted with a couple of buddies this year that had Tikka rifles. The actions on those two were far from smooth and the trigger was horrible. In fairness, I don't know if that had had them worked or not. However, the creep was more than I would want on my rifle.

 

[BjornF16]

Tikka is far from Chinese junk....

Reading comprehension issues?...you missed the point.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

can you guys the quit calling Finnish made rifles scandanavian?

thanks in advance.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

With some it seems like hostility with snarky comments/remarks.

Personally, if I had it to do over again, I'd jump on your advice on 6.5 CM/223 rifle, perhaps in Tikka.

I've spent way too much money chasing accuracy on Rem 700's (exception being my R700 5R). I won't buy Remington again anytime soon.

I love my Fieldcraft 6.5 CM...no tinkering and shoots .5-.75 MOA with Hornady factory ammo. I also like my Kimber MA, but some tinkering was required.

Are they "smooth as butter"?...not so much, but they are accurate.

I haven't handled the Seekins...but I hear they are nice.

Yes, these are mostly 1.5 - 2x the Tikka cost...but I don't mind.

I have a dim view of Western Europeans after spending 9 years living in Europe...don't like their anti-Americanism nor their socialist leanings. I try to buy American.

But I won't criticize those who buy European (maybe I'll criticize buying Chinese tho).

To each their own...

Post up some some sub moa ten shot groups from ur fieldcraft. Ain’t buying it

Bolt manipulation wise they are rough. Hardest bolt open of any rifle I’ve ever used.

ez to bind on forward stroke.

timney’s are rattly junk

 

[Formidilosus]

can you guys the quit calling Finnish made rifles scandanavian?

thanks in advance.

Ha. Finns love that.

 

[BjornF16]

Post up some some sub moa ten shot groups from ur fieldcraft. Ain’t buying it

Bolt manipulation wise they are rough. Hardest bolt open of any rifle I’ve ever used.

ez to bind on forward stroke.

timney’s are rattly junk

LOL...It doesn't take me 10 shots to kill a critter...and it's not for sale.

 

[KClark]

Back in the late '70s to mid '80s American cars were mostly junk. Unreliable, cheaply built, poorly designed. Think about how many are left on the road or are sought after collector pieces. Foreign cars had been around before then but they really became popular, especially Toyotas, Hondas and Beamers. They were reliable, got great fuel mileage and were cheap in comparison. They were kinda ugly but as people began accepting them more and their looks improved in the eyes of the public and American car companies started trying to build something competitive. The American car companies stepped up and build great cars now, there is not the huge void between a Toyota and a Ford.

Seems we are about there with hunting rifles right now.

 

[Formidilosus]

Every Remington I have bought and the one Winchester that I own has done all those things flawlessly.

I hunted with a couple of buddies this year that had Tikka rifles. The actions on those two were far from smooth and the trigger was horrible. In fairness, I don't know if that had had them worked or not. However, the creep was more than I would want on my rifle.

I think our versions of “flawlessly” deviate heavily.


Two Tikkas with poor actions and trigger creep.....

 

[KClark]

I wish Tikka made rifle scopes.

 

[Formidilosus]

I wish Tikka made rifle scopes.

Haha.

 

[Middleofnowhere]

a thread about American alternatives to Tikka and the America hating Tikka fanboys fill it up LOL

 

[Ram94]

I could care less where it is built as I’m from Canada and the only thing that comes out of Canada is bad government decisions.

I am a fan of quality rifles.


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[Ndbowhunter]

LOL...It doesn't take me 10 shots to kill a critter...and it's not for sale.

so it’s not sub moa. Thought so.