Stone Glacier vs Western Mountaineering Sleeping Bags

[hikenhunt]

I've used two WM bags and have been thoroughly impressed with both. I don't have any reason to look at other brands.

 

[C.payne]

I don’t want to hijack this thread but I have wanted to purchase a new bag and both the WM and SG are at the top of my list.
My question to the WM guys: I’m sold on everything about a WM except for that they don’t use Hydrophobic down. How do you guys find using them in wetter climates? Or. I use a solo tarp/tent and deal with a fair bit of condensation. Do you guys find they “wet” out bad or do they have a good enough DWR to keep the moisture from getting to the down with in realistic use.

 

[kopecsean]

I have had my Kodiak for 13 years and never had an issue I have had to sycamore for 3 years now and have never had an issue

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[C.payne]

I have had my Kodiak for 13 years and never had an issue I have had to sycamore for 3 years now and have never had an issue

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Thanks for the input. I live up in BC and should probably run a synthetic to be on the safe side but would love to save some weight and space in my pack if possible.

 

[kopecsean]

I Have had amazing results with both my bags in Western mountaineering and their customer service is completely too notch. I sent my Kodiak back it back to them to do an additional 5ﾟ of down and they did it at no charge. Made in the Western United States

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[C.payne]

@kopecsean
Yes I have zero concerns with WM and have heard nothing but amazing things. My only concern is how they handle moisture. Hydrophobic coatingS aren’t the end all be all either but they seem to help.

 

[sneaky]

Hydrophobic coatings are a marketing crutch. How many geese are flying around with coated feathers? That coating adds weight, and eventually wears off leaving you right back to where you started. If you're that concerned with moisture get one with a Windstopper shell. WM microfiber material is highly water resistant on its own merits. I have never once worried about my non treated down in my Kodiak, or my MF shell material. In your environment the GWS might be a better option, but lots of guys in Alaska still use the MF bags with great results.

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[C.payne]

@sneaky
Thanks for your input. I do agree with you and as much as I try not to get sucked in with all the marketing hype sometimes it still happens! Lol
If I hunted with someone who had one and I was able to see it perform in the conditions we hunt in I’m sure I wouldn’t even question it.

 

[eaglebowhunter]

Came home today! Can’t wait to get this in the mountains! Thanks again all!

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[TNHunter]

I own 2 Western mountaineering bags and they are the best bags I've ever seen. Kodiak and the sycamore.

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Agree with kopecsean.. I’ve got the Kodiak and it’s excellent. Can’t go wrong with Western Moutaineering.


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[C.payne]

Just bought an Antelope MF! Can’t wait to put it to the test. Thanks everyone for your input.

 

[Fins_N_Tines]

In my experience as a Badger sleeper, I'll bet if you if the Badger was comfortable and a good fit, the 32 inch shoulder width of the SG bag would be tight and cold. I used a number of good quality bags over the years and never got the temp rating out of them. While shivering one early morning, I realized that the inside and outside of the bag were touching all the way around the shoulders. No insulation there. I bought the Badger and never looked back.

that 32" is the across dimension. The circumference is 64". Western Mountaineering measures in circumference.

 

[sneaky]

that 32" is the across dimension. The circumference is 64". Western Mountaineering measures in circumference.

Yeah, but are they stating internal flat dimension or across the whole bag? You would lose baffle height if it's the external measurement. At least WM clarifies it's their internal dimension.

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[Fins_N_Tines]

Yeah, but are they stating internal flat dimension or across the whole bag? You would lose baffle height if it's the external measurement. At least WM clarifies it's their internal dimension.

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I confirmed with Stone Glacier via a phone call that flat dimension is internal.

 

[Fins_N_Tines]

Hydrophobic coatings are a marketing crutch. How many geese are flying around with coated feathers? That coating adds weight, and eventually wears off leaving you right back to where you started. If you're that concerned with moisture get one with a Windstopper shell. WM microfiber material is highly water resistant on its own merits. I have never once worried about my non treated down in my Kodiak, or my MF shell material. In your environment the GWS might be a better option, but lots of guys in Alaska still use the MF bags with great results.

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I have never had any issues with my WM bag going flat due to moisture, but recently John Barklow stated that untreated down has no place in mountain hunting. Seemed like a bold statement but he had far more experience than I. He said treated down has shown to be perform better in wet conditions.

 

[Formidilosus]

WM bags are the standard for a reason. However, SG bags are excellent bags. The Hydrophobic down that at least SG is not a “marketing crutch” as you can get in soaking wet and use the bag to cook dry. The bags remain perfectly functional.

 

[prm]

For anyone that’s used an SG bag, does it seem a bit roomier than a WM? SG is apparently using a flat measurement across at the shoulders/hips/foot box, and others use a circumference. For the SG they advertise an internal measurement of 32/24/18, while WM uses internal circumference (girth) of 65"/56"/39" for a 6’ Badger. Since bags are not circles, and I don’t know what the vertical dimension they use is, it’s hard to accurately compare. You cannot simply double the flat measurement.
I have an older REI Magma 10 deg. I’d like to replace with something that has a bit more shoulder and hip room.

 

[whaack]

I returned my SG after one week elk hunting a bought a WM. I wasn’t impressed with the durability. Warmth was just fine


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[prm]

I returned my SG after one week elk hunting a bought a WM. I wasn’t impressed with the durability. Warmth was just fine


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Any difference in internal size?

 

[*zap*]

Came home today! Can’t wait to get this in the mountains! Thanks again all!

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Which bag is that?