Wyoming 2 points

[BrentLaBere]

Just wait until next year when WYO puts out the elk draw results in May!

People are gonna howl!!!!

Im not too happy about that situation

 

[204guy]

The application increase may have been in response to the price change people wanting to get out while they can't and not invest more into the system. I suspect that's gonna carry over into this year And then you will see it level off.

I'm just stealing Buzz's #'s off another forum. 20% increase overall for licenses in WY last year. I took it to mean 20% more people entered the draw in 18' than 17'. Could mean 20% more actually applied for a tag vs bought a point not sure. Either way there is exactly 0% chance that the points required for any NR elk tag will decrease.

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[sneaky]

Exact reason I'm burning my points this year and getting out of the WY point game. There's not a unit in the state that produces bulls worthy of spending $1300 on. That's more than Nevada, and let's face it, NV has fewer elk but they have some absolute giants with far less pressure. Maybe Rob Shaul will get the guide welfare association to get the tags raised to $2500 so the flatlanders stay out of his spots and don't beat him to them anymore.

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[Trial153]

I'm just stealing Buzz's #'s off another forum. 20% increase overall for licenses in WY last year. I took it to mean 20% more people entered the draw in 18' than 17'. Could mean 20% more actually applied for a tag vs bought a point not sure. Either way there is exactly 0% chance that the points required for any NR elk tag will decrease.

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Thats not exactly true.
Look at the special draw which the price increase hit the hardest
32 units had increased applications
40 units had decreased applications
12 units stayed the same.

The most telling was special general license application drop of over 300 applications.
898 applied for special gen in 18
1203 in 2017
1224 in 2016
1221 in 2015

 

[204guy]

Ok but did the points required to draw a tag decrease in any of those draws? Looks like special gen was a 100% with 0 points up until 2017. Then 2018 was only 98% with 1 point. The point creep is hitting even the gen special hard. Application #s are going to shift as people try to beat point creep. I'll amend my statement slightly, the points required to draw any NR bull tag in WY has 0% chance of decreasing.

 

[Dos Perros]

Regarding point creep, I've looked at a handful of units, all Type 1, and the point creep seems to be ~0.5 points per year. Some more and some less, of course. These are linear trend line fits with 4 years of data. Maybe linear isn't the best fit? Depends on the unit, I guess.

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Ok but did the points required to draw a tag decrease in any of those draws? Looks like special gen was a 100% with 0 points up until 2017. Then 2018 was only 98% with 1 point. The point creep is hitting even the gen special hard. Application #s are going to shift as people try to beat point creep. I'll amend my statement slightly, the points required to draw any NR bull tag in WY has 0% chance of decreasing.

Well, this isn't true at all. I've seen units go from ~6 to ~2 in just one year. I'm sure these are special cases, but the actual number is north of 0%.

 

[elkocd]

Thats not exactly true.
Look at the special draw which the price increase hit the hardest
32 units had increased applications
40 units had decreased applications
12 units stayed the same.

The most telling was special general license application drop of over 300 applications.
898 applied for special gen in 18
1203 in 2017
1224 in 2016
1221 in 2015

Don't think you're correct. Add up the column for each point level and it's way over 2000.

1189 0 5 0 100.00%
1189 0 < 5 0 100.00%
1189 0 4 0 100.00%
1189 6 < 4 6 100.00%
1183 14 3 14 100.00%
1169 22 < 3 22 100.00%
1147 75 2 75 100.00%
1072 231 < 2 231 100.00%
841 841 1 867 97.00%
0 < 1 1327 0.00%

 

[cnelk]

@elkocd

You are reading the data wrong.

From what you posted, there were 1189 tags available to start, and then they are reduced from there as the point holders draw.

 

[Trial153]

I guess its either here nor there at this point. Your screwed no matter what you do. And I think most of us would agree that for NR it will get way worse before it gets better.

 

[elkocd]

@elkocd

You are reading the data wrong.

From what you posted, there were 1189 tags available to start, and then they are reduced from there as the point holders draw.

Not sure what you're refering to. https://wgfd.wyo.gov/WGFD/media/content/PDF/Hunting/Drawing Odds/DRAW_ELK_PP_NONRESSP_2018.pdf scroll to the bottom

The column right before the % is the number of applicants for each point level. BTW there were a few higher up in points that I did not copy. I was commenting to the guy who said there were 898 non res special general first choice apps. Look at the table there were more than 2567 who applied for the special general license fitst choice.

 

[Trial153]

Not sure what you're refering to. https://wgfd.wyo.gov/WGFD/media/content/PDF/Hunting/Drawing Odds/DRAW_ELK_PP_NONRESSP_2018.pdf scroll to the bottom

The column right before the % is the number of applicants for each point level. BTW there were a few higher up in points that I did not copy. I was commenting to the guy who said there were 898 non res special general first choice apps. Look at the table there were more than 2567 who applied for the special general license fitst choice.

The numbers you posted are correct. If you were referring to Total applications. However we where talking about New applications, so the numbers I posted where for applications with zero points.
What I was implying was that the "20%" increase in applications didnt pan out across the board into the special draw. And what we may have seen was an up tick in the regular draw to get out because of the price hike.

Sorry I wasnt clear with numbers, didnt mean to mix anyone up.

 

[cnelk]

BTW there were a few higher up in points that I did not copy.

Im out. Why post incomplete data

 

[wannakillabigbull]

Im out. Why post incomplete data

Lol he omitted eight rows of data on a different PDF page that only had 3 extra applicants that all applied with six or more points.

 

[elkocd]

Lol he omitted eight rows of data on a different PDF page that only had 3 extra applicants that all applied with six or more points.

Right! Didn't think it was that relevant. To the original posters point, I think that the 0 point drop is easily attributed to a WY general tag not being worth $1300 after the increase!

 

[wapitibob]

Hunt, If I was you, I'd research a cpl areas then get a cow tag or just go spend a week in that area, in the rut, with a camera and gain some insight. Then go back in 2020 on the Bull tag. The info you'll get from having been there will more than pay for itself.

 

[Hun10-freak]

I just don't have the vacation time or the money to go every year. This isn't a poor me story, I have two kids and family vacations are a must. I'm hoping to get one or two good elk hunts out of state in the next 10 years or so.

 

[JWP58]

Area 22...solid odds